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   Guest_ | Oct 19, 1999 07:20am | #13

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   As in I already can handle drips and overflows. I found two good electric sites (I think somebody here listed them.) But I need info to argue with the inspector. Thanks, lonecat.

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   Guest_ | Oct 16, 1999 10:57am | #1

   *Lonecat, If you're looking for a forum, try Dan Holohan's place. More of a wet heating forum, but I think there are a few links off of it.Here's another, http://www.plumbingsupply.com/index.html for plumbing supplies. I think this one is from Andrew?If you don't mind, 'fess up and list your better elec sites.

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   Guest_ | Oct 16, 1999 04:28pm | #2

   *Lonecat:Try http://www.theplumber.com

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   Guest_ | Oct 16, 1999 10:25pm | #3

   *Mongo: The best electrical site is the electrical Resource Board. I'm sure I must have got the address from somebody here, maybe Andrew. The long address is : http://www.mosquitonet.com/~nerc/wwwboard/wwwboard.html/ Give that a try.

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   Guest_ | Oct 16, 1999 11:08pm | #4

   *lonecat,Try asking your questions at the Building Code Discussions Group.1) Go to: http://www.delphi.com/2) register3)Find: Home > Business & Finance > Building Code Discussions Group url: http://www.delphi.com/buildingcode/start/ You probably can't go directly to the url without registering first.This group seems to be made up of code officials, architects, engineers and a few large contractor members.www.plumbnet.com and http://www.plbg.com are two other sites that have forumns for plumbing questions.Jeff

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   Guest_ | Oct 17, 1999 04:52am | #5

   *Natural curiosity -- what's the dispute?

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   Guest_ | Oct 17, 1999 05:55am | #6

   *Thanks, Jeff. I'll investigate those deals. Andrew: No real big dispute, I want to hide a water heater in this old house I have started on. It was built in 1902 and has never been changed in any way other than minimal wiring at some point. The only house I've ever had where I don't have to spend any time wondering how things originally were. The bathroom is original, but had a newish water heater standing right out in the room next to the toilet. What did they do for hot water in those old days? I want to hide it in an unfinished closet adjacent to the bathroom and over a back porch. New inspector says no and I haven't yet got ready to discuss it further with him. And I don't know jack about plumbing codes. Have also been thinking about a tankless. Any thoughts? lonecat

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   JIm_R | Oct 17, 1999 07:44am | #7

   *Try (www.plbg.com). The Dan Holohan site is also good but they just changed their address to (www.heatinghelp.com).

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   Guest_ | Oct 17, 1999 09:52am | #8

   *Hot water back then -- I think they heated it on the stove or fireplace and poured it into the bath. i owe my grandmother a call, maybe she'll know.Where to put it I think it only limited by the usual worries that a combustion appliance will kill people by gas or fire -- incl. bedrooms, baths, closets OR confined spaces opening into same. CABO 3301.3. As I read this, electric tanked/tankless should be fine, as well as (it says this) direct-vent combustion.

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   Guest_ | Oct 18, 1999 09:45pm | #9

   *"Where did they get their Hot Water back then?"My 1903 house has an unused gas line that was run to the attic above the kitchen (next to the second floor bath). This was a little strange, because this house never had gas lighting. Well, I found two 5/8" holes leading in to the bathroom during some renovation and figure they put a gas water heater upstairs to supply the kitchen and the bath.I found out that this neighborhood got gas in 1924 (gas plant was just down the street, at the time). But it was definitely built with city water / sewer.I guess before 1924 they heated the water using the coal stove. I seem to have seen someplace that the coal stoves had a water heater built in to them back then (just plumb the water through a heat exchanger, and those things had to be fired up almost all the time, cooking breads and pies).It is fun figuring out stupid little things like this, when it is your own house, isn't it?

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   Guest_ | Oct 18, 1999 10:20pm | #10

   *Some of the old wood cooking ranges had several rings of pipe around the main firebox. I suppose this could have led to a hot water holding tank, but I don't remember seeing any in the old abandoned farm houses I have prowled around, although I do remember some old galvanized uninsulated tanks in some old houses I visited as a kid that may have been hot water holding tanks. My grandparents still heated water on the top of the wood stove until about 1950. I would guess that the lack of a way of generating hot water with a reasonably constant temperature had something to do with the lack of showers in these older houses...Here in Oregon, a lot of people hide their hot water heaters in closets. Of course, with the cheap eletricity almost everyone uses electric hot water heaters. You didn't mention what you were planning on powering your heater with, but perhaps if you were to choose electricity, you could put your heater in a more hidden area than if it were gas.

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   Guest_ | Oct 19, 1999 05:52am | #11

   *Hey guys: The inspector already told me I couldn't even put an electric heater in that closet, but he couldn't tell me why. He's new and he had called someone who told him no. Rather than antagonize him, ( he is the electric and everything else inspector, too) I figured I'd get my ducks lined up then attack. Norm, I don't think any of that stuff is stupid- I lay awake at night trying to figure it out. I don't have any new construction handy to refer to-- where do they put the heater in a new house on a slab?

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   Guest_ | Oct 19, 1999 06:32am | #12

   *Lonecat,In Arkansas plumbing is under the jurisdiction of the Arkansas State Health Department, Plumbing and Natural Gas Division, 4815 West Markham, Slot 24, Little Rock, AR 72205-3865. Their phone number is (501) 661-2642. State law (or regulation) requires plumbing inspections on all residences, etc. that are hooked up to a public water system. Municipalities, like Eureka Springs, have their own inspectors. However, in the case or rural water associations, and the like, inspections are accomplished by individuals certified by the state. There are certainly one or two such individuals in your area. The State Health Department office in your county should be able to give you their names and numbers. A conversation with one of them could be productive. The plumber I use is smarter than a dry wall crew. If you can not get an answer elsewhere send me an e-mail and I will run your delema by him. He ain't cheap. I may have to buy him a bar-b-que sometime.I was in Eureka Springs about six months ago (for the first and only time). Interesting place. Spent most of our time looking for a place to park. Steve

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    Guest_ | Oct 19, 1999 07:20am | #14

    *Thanks Steve, I'll study everything. Its about time to go out and move my truck now.