Since Cabinets are such a large Capital expenditure in Building a house . I was hoping for some names of proven semi-custom cabinets you can buy online.
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BB,
Try walzcraft.com traditional
cabparts.com eurostyle
Chuck S
Edited 1/9/2007 12:25 pm ET by stevent1
Steven, have you ever orderd and installed a set from walzcraft?
blue"...if you just do what you think is best testing those limits... it's pretty easy to find exactly where the line is...."
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Blue,
I have ordered from Wlazcraft for over 20 years. In 1984, Richard Walz, the founder of Cabinet Factory in Wisconsin called on our shop in Rockville MD. Cold call. He was out canavssing the country. He said they had expanded to almost 20,000 SF from a couple of thousand SF in 2 years. The sample looked good so I ordered 4-5 piece oak doors for vanity job. I could not build the doors for $18.00 ea. They changed the name to Walzcraft several years ago. I have not ordered all of my outsourced doors from Walzcraft, (now almost 400,000 SF and 400 employees) but they are of the highest quality.
The post that said drawer boxes and doors only is OTL.
Walzcraft will pre-finish. Build face frames. Moldings. Bar fronts. Full size doors and frames. RTF...etc They will send you a free catalog. Tell them Stevent LLC, Columbus GA sent ya.
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Chuck
I've delt with Walzcraft for a number of years, as you have. I dont think I've ever been disapointed with there quality or service.
Doug
Doug,
I recently ordered 2 rock maple cutting boards with breadboard edge. 18 x 22 19 mm BB. Less than $50 ea. I have all the tools but cannot make them for that figuring $87.50 per shop hour. Like some one else said there are many door and drawerfront companies out there.
Walzcraft can be pricey, but I have never had to make a claim. I have with other companies.
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Walz Craft only sells doors and drawer boxes. Cabparts sells only boxes.
There are lots of door builders out there.
Walz Craft only sells doors and drawer boxes.
If you believe that then I'd say you've had very limited dealings with Walzcraft.
They are one of the finest companies that I have delt with and they certainly do sell more then that.
Check out their web site.
http://www.walzcraft.com
Doug
Boy coupla testy guys today. I am aware of what walzcraft sells I have their catalog on my desk. I also have a cabparts catalog on my desk. The original poster was asking about who carried cabinets online. I was trying to point out that to my knowlege Walzcraft does not manufacture boxes. I am aware that they make many things.
Chuck says that Walzcraft make "Traditional Cabinets" this is usually meant to describe face frame cabinets. Yes they make face frames and doors. You still either have to build or buy your boxes.
Chuck also says that Cabpart make "Euro style" cabinets, this is true. However most people think of Euro style as being a frameless cabinet with any style door. Cabparts only makes slab doors.
So my point was not that either place was lacking in quality but that neither was going to be one stop shopping.
Jason
Edited 1/9/2007 10:33 pm ET by Jason99
Jason,
My reference to 'Walzcraft' was "traditional" not "traditional cabinets".
True Eurostyle cabs are flush doors.
You are correct that the OP wanted a source for cabinets. You are right about one stop shopping. Most of these type outfits want to deal with cabinetmakers or shops that make their own boxes.
I apologize for the "OTL". You seem to be familiar with both company's products.
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Jason
My intent wasnt to come across as "testy" just figured you didnt know what Walz had to offer.
I didnt even see what the original poster asked, just wanted to clear up what I thought was misinformation.
I've bought from maybe 5 or 6 different door companies and Walzcraft is by far the best that I have used. And they put out one hell of a catalog!
My bad!
Doug
We get everything from Scherr's and have been quite pleased.
They will do things as custom as you can imagine, but you need to realize right up front that
a. The cab design is strictly Euro frameless. No faceframed cabinets.
b. Finishes are fairly basic. Solid colors, clearcoat over natural wood, some staining, no glazes, no distressing, nothing antiqued.
c. Everything ships KD, which means you do all assembly on site.
We will get a kitchen in about a week and I plan to do a photo shoot of the whole process, to be posted here, from truck delivery through assembly, onto installation, and then final fronts installs and door and drawer adjustments.
Edited 1/9/2007 7:39 pm ET by Gene_Davis
How did they compare in price and value to other cabinets you had used?
Less expensive, equal or better quality.
You must take into account they are totally frameless, thus when comparing, one needs to look only at frameless lines from the name-brand makers, and not everyone has a frameless line.
But Wood Mode and Crystal do. In Wood Mode, both their Design Group 84 and Brookhaven I lines are frameless, and Crystal's Quest line of cabinetry is frameless.
Scherr's is far less than those mentioned above, and at comparable quality, plus, Scherr's will make to any size.
One is shipping to us today, and I plan to do a photo essay on assembly and instruction, here at this forum. Stay tuned.
I'm very interested in the cabinet photo op.
blue"...if you just do what you think is best testing those limits... it's pretty easy to find exactly where the line is...."
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I think I'll focus on how it all comes, what we get in the way of documentation and instruction, what tools we use to do the assembly, and prep. Assembly tips and techniques, time spent doing so, yadda, yadda, yadda.
By the time we are done with that, it will look like a regular factory assembled cab job. Whole buncha boxes and a few loose parts.
After that, though . . .
We're such hacks at installation, I cannot imagine how we must look to pros that do this all the time. The install part I think I will include just for entertainment. I'm imagining the flames.
The install part I think I will include just for entertainment. I'm imagining the flames.
To insure the flaming might I suggest the screw of choice!
Doug
i have seen but yet to use any... but i've looked at some really nice KD cabinets from china... for my loft project I'm working with a company now looks like I'll have to buy by the container load... and way over buy to make sure i'll have what i need for 20 units... but if things work out... I'll come out with a much higher grade than i could ever afford any other way.... they offer eveything from 100% stainless to all colored glass fronts... diamond plate... and woods i've never seen or heard of... but the pictures look good... NO mdf or partical board all finished plywood cases 10mm standard and 13mm optional...
the ones I have seen were not the high end custom euro look... but they were of good quality and the finishes were nice... the retail on em was less than the millspride type stuff... and... all wood.... there is a guy 100miles from me who has a smaller discount home center and he sells them put together... has 4-5 hispanic guys/girls in a warehouse with carpeted tables that get paid by the cabinet... put'n em together...
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If you are buying direct from China (in contrast to buying through a local distributor who stands behind the quality of the product), I just want to try to instill some additional caution. I am not a Chinese "basher." I personally like design choices that are available in China that I cannot purchase here. My wife is Chinese and I travel to China several times each year. My note of caution comes from her business in China (fashion design and manufaturing) and her father's business in China (building materials manufacturing). In short, they have told me and I have personally seen it in the factories, quality control in China is virtually non-existent. To overcome the quality control issues, many manufacturers over-order by as much as 20% so they have the margin to scrap the defects.
One trip I'd like to make.... to China... thanks for the input... it's been noted here on the quailty of the prefinished hardwood floor products from china that there is almost no culls...
I have a good friend who is a buyer for the worlds largest Auto Parts company.. and he has described alot of what he sees... and the agreements they have with their trading partners...
I have a person I'm meeting with in the afternoon who is from china (the rest of her family is still there)... she imports sinks & faucets and travels there often... I'm hoping that she will help me avoid some problems...
in the end... this is just another way to keep & expand my interest in my projects... an excuse to do something outside the norm... and expand my options
thanks for the info...
p
Ponyti, would you be interested in splitting a load?
blue"...if you just do what you think is best testing those limits... it's pretty easy to find exactly where the line is...."
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I'll find out in the next week or so what "a load is" what will fit in a container /mix ect...
a 40ft container is about 2500cubic ft and best i can tell KD cabinets average less than 2.5cf so... I'm guess'n 1000 mixed units per load.... getting the mix close should be interesting... size wise & upper/lower mix...
a 20ft container would be... well half that... but... who wants 500 units when you can have 1000 :)
I have no problem shareing information sources ect... or even acting as a go between... ( i have more clout the more often i buy )... I'll drop you an email with a few links
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ponytl,
I did some international shipping at my previous employer. My recollection was that weight was usually the limiting factor and not volume on 40' containers. It seems to me that 40' containers are generally limited to around 40-45,000lbs net (Amount inside the container) because of DOT road weight limitations. This assumes that you are going to have the container shipped to your location via semi and unloaded.
Erk
ponytl,
I forgot to mention 20' containers have almost the same weight restrictions as 40' conatiners.
Erk