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cell phone repair

junkhound | Posted in General Discussion on May 17, 2009 04:52am

Have you gotten your phone or blackberry rained on and it quit working?

BB got some rain on the keyboard last week, letters N, G, and B quit working.

AT&T said warranty does not cover moisture (the batt compartment indicator was still white, but there are apparently a couple of more indicators internally, if any have turned red the warranty is apparently void.

So, what to try.  Internet no help, one bozo suggested immersing it in acetone!!!!!!

What worked was I put the BB into my vacuum chamber overnight at a 300 micron pressure,

Wallah! – next morning everything works great!.

Grand-daughter sent her cell thru the laundry, will try the vacuum treatment on that next. 

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    Dam_inspector | May 17, 2009 04:55pm | #1

    Uh, you got one at home? We put a nice keyboard in one at work that had gotten wet, worked fine after a treatment.

    1. Ken | May 17, 2009 04:59pm | #3

      I'm willing to bet he has one at home. Probably has the parts for a supercollider laying around, too.

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      IMERC | May 17, 2009 05:56pm | #9

      if you have a vacuum pump the chamber is cake and pie... 

      Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

      WOW!!! What a Ride!

      Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

       

      "Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"

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      observer | May 17, 2009 10:43pm | #26

      bet he picked one up at a garage sale for $3

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        Dam_inspector | May 17, 2009 10:53pm | #27

        Bet they were asking $12. NTTAWWT

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    maddog3 | May 17, 2009 04:55pm | #2

    would a Foodsaver work ?

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    1. junkhound | May 17, 2009 05:30pm | #6

       Foodsaver work ?

      temp alone might help - relatively low vacuum lowers the boiling point of water to well below room temp (cant recall all the pressure/temp numbers off the top of my head, getting old) which boils off any trapped moisture. 

       

      The rain happened in Oban Scotland, tried a hair dryer there, that helped bring back the 'b' somewhat, needed the vacuum to fix the 'n' key. 

       

      Dan beat me to the dessicant part -- Had not heard of the rice trick before, any dessicant would work to get RH really low so vapor pressure is low.

       

      Edited 5/17/2009 10:31 am ET by junkhound

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        maddog3 | May 17, 2009 05:45pm | #8

        I'll keep it in mind next time I run another iPod thru the wash...

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    2. [email protected] | May 17, 2009 06:15pm | #11

      Yes a food saver would probably work. It doesn't generate enough vacuum to boil water at low temp, but should increase the evaporation rate. Particularly if you cycle it several times.I'd immerse it in denatured alcohol first to make the water easier to evaporate.

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        maddog3 | May 17, 2009 06:51pm | #12

        wouldn't DA mess up the iPod ?.

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        1. DanH | May 17, 2009 09:07pm | #20

          Yeah, I'd be afraid that denatured alcohol would leave a residue. PGA might be a better alternative.
          The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -John Kenneth Galbraith

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            maddog3 | May 17, 2009 09:24pm | #21

            ?.

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          2. DanH | May 17, 2009 09:26pm | #22

            denature alcohol or PGA?
            The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -John Kenneth Galbraith

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            maddog3 | May 17, 2009 10:24pm | #25

            PGA please.

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          4. DanH | May 18, 2009 01:11am | #29

            Pure Grain Alcohol. Everclear.
            The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -John Kenneth Galbraith

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            maddog3 | May 18, 2009 01:51am | #30

            ahhaaa,.

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    dedhed6b | May 17, 2009 05:02pm | #4

    Wife dropped hers in the toilet.after contents flushed. Put it in a bag of rice for a day or two, works just fine. Yes we thru the rice away.

    "Shawdow boxing the appoclipse and wandering the land"
    Wier/Barlow

    1. Hazlett | May 17, 2009 08:11pm | #18

      junkhound is a respectably frugal guy. I am sure he will be back in a moment to tell you how you could have "re-purposed" that rice! what the heck--- you were gonna have to boil it before you ate it anyhow, right?
      stephen

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        Dam_inspector | May 17, 2009 08:36pm | #19

        You can use it as a binder in white wash. Of course junkhound uses free paint he finds by the curb.

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      xxPaulCPxx | May 19, 2009 09:21pm | #41

      Wha... AWWWWW!  I was gonna eat that!

      Tu stultus esRebuilding my home in Cypress, CAAlso a CRX fanatic!

      Look, just send me to my drawer.  This whole talking-to-you thing is like double punishment.

  4. DanH | May 17, 2009 05:26pm | #5

    I've used desiccant on electronics, but never tried a vacuum chamber. (Don't know where I'd find one readily.)

    A couple of times I've rescued keyboards that have been dunked in coffee by rinsing them in clear water, then distilled water, and allowing them to dry for about a week.

    Hint: If a keyboard gets dunked in pop rinse it thoroughly right away -- don't wait for it to dry out. The pop does a number on the printed circuits inside the keyboard.

    The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -John Kenneth Galbraith
    1. junkhound | May 17, 2009 05:38pm | #7

      where I'd find one readily

      For literally decades, before I was rich enough to buy a $90 'real' vacuum pump off ebay, I used an old chrysler AC compressor driven by old dryer motor as a vacuum pump and wide mouth fruit jars for bell jars. Bigger stuff used an old canning pressure cooker for potting transformers and such.  

      What I'm watching for now on ebay is a SEM to play with, saw a couple 'broken' ones for under $2K (original price $200K type), but was unable to be sure I could get all the schematics first - probably 'he77' to reverse engineer those.  One guy said 'yeah, I can get you the schematics if you buy it',  --  is anybody who would buy a SEM be as dumb as like I'm gonna buy a bridge??

      1. AlanRoberson | May 17, 2009 06:59pm | #14

        lol junkhound I started reading your post before I read the author and thought "this sounds like something Junkhound would do".

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      IMERC | May 17, 2009 05:58pm | #10

      start with a Viking vacuum pump...

      same type/style you'd use on HVAC... 

      Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

      WOW!!! What a Ride!

      Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

       

      "Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"

    3. brucet9 | May 18, 2009 05:52am | #31

      My daughter's cell phone "took a suicide leap into a can of paint" as she described the event. Do you have a remedy for that?BruceT

      1. DanH | May 18, 2009 06:27am | #32

        I believe that cellphones should be allowed to do this, so long as a shrink certifies that they're not depressed.
        The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -John Kenneth Galbraith

        1. migraine | May 18, 2009 08:29pm | #33

          do you have a fix for dropping a blue-tooth ear piece in your cup of coffee?

          It didn't stop me from finishing the coffee.  I wasn't going to throw both of them away

          1. DanH | May 18, 2009 08:44pm | #34

            I'd quick as possible rinse off the piece, then open up the battery compartment and see if it was wet inside. If so, rinse well in distilled water. Dry with desiccant/rice/vacuum jar.
            As I stood before the gates I realized that I never want to be as certain about anything as were the people who built this place. --Rabbi Sheila Peltz, on her visit to Auschwitz

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            IMERC | May 18, 2009 11:12pm | #35

            true coffeeholic.... 

            Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

            WOW!!! What a Ride!

            Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

             

            "Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"

          3. DanH | May 18, 2009 11:15pm | #36

            Just be sure to fish out the earpiece before drinking the coffee.
            As I stood before the gates I realized that I never want to be as certain about anything as were the people who built this place. --Rabbi Sheila Peltz, on her visit to Auschwitz

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            BillHartmann | May 19, 2009 01:33am | #37

            Or like me.Just plain too cheap..
            William the Geezer, the sequel to Billy the Kid - Shoe

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            IMERC | May 19, 2009 02:11am | #38

            I'd never waste the coffe either...

              

            Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

            WOW!!! What a Ride!

            Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

             

            "Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"

          6. DanH | May 19, 2009 05:22am | #39

            Got to thinking -- Blackberry flavored coffee might be pretty good.
            As I stood before the gates I realized that I never want to be as certain about anything as were the people who built this place. --Rabbi Sheila Peltz, on her visit to Auschwitz

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            IMERC | May 19, 2009 03:47pm | #40

            anything other than coffee flavored coffee straight up isn't right... 

            Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

            WOW!!! What a Ride!

            Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

             

            "Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"

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    Sphere | May 17, 2009 06:58pm | #13

    Whats "3oo micron" vac in the real world? My vane pump pulls 28.7 Hg at sea level.

    I smell BS.

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    Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations

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    1. danski0224 | May 17, 2009 07:13pm | #15

      You don't know what micron level you are at without a micron gauge.

      Normal sea level atmospheric pressure is (approximately) 759,968 microns.

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        Sphere | May 17, 2009 07:28pm | #16

        Oh geeze, all these years I been measuring in Mercury inches, what a dolt I am.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

        Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations

        "If Brains was lard, you couldn't grease much of a pan"Jed Clampitt

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        1. danski0224 | May 17, 2009 07:53pm | #17

          If you are trying to measure the actual vacuum, then yes.

          That is what the micron reading will tell you.

          Note that at 254 microns, water boils at -24*

          Look at the number of microns contained in the last inch of mercury.

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          Edited 5/17/2009 7:48 pm ET by danski0224

    2. [email protected] | May 17, 2009 10:04pm | #23

      A micron is a micrometer, or 1-millionth of a meter. Micron pressure is microns of mercury.

    3. ronbudgell | May 17, 2009 11:20pm | #28

      300 micron = 0.3 millimetres = 0.0118 inches = about twice the thickness of a hair.

  6. bcarpentry | May 17, 2009 10:09pm | #24

    My in-laws have recovered 2 phones that were completely immersed in water by placing them for a couple days in a ziploc w/ the cover removed and as many little bags of dissicant as they could find. One worked fine and the other one had spent an afternoon in a swimming pool but returned to functioning normally except the camera never worked again.

    Dunno any theory behind it though.

  7. Waters | May 19, 2009 11:44pm | #42

    Not since I got a 'G Zone' phone, made by casio, from Verizon Wireless.

    I was impressed when my buddy told me his was 4 years old and that he'd discovered he washed it 2x when he heard it thumping around in the dryer!  No problem.

    These phones are dust, water and shock resistant.

     

    1. Brian55 | May 20, 2009 03:00am | #44

      Iv'e got one also, just wish it had a slightly better res. camera, a removable memory chip and or software to link the phone to my computer.

      Brian

      1. Waters | May 20, 2009 03:25am | #45

        yeah, bout the only thing I use the camera for is to snap a picture of some garbled mess of something I'm fixing before I go to the store.

        or to send my friends some stupid photo of my dog doing something stupid. 

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    IMERC | May 20, 2009 12:29am | #43

    a BFH seems like a better way to go...

     

    Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

    WOW!!! What a Ride!


    Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

     

    "Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"

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