Interior French doors.
High end home.
Apparently never has closed right.
Left door closes with even reveals
Right door, spings back. Bullet catch won’t hold it shut.
Reveal on “Inside” (hinge pin side of door) looks good.
Reveal on “outside” (still an interior door) tight at the center hinge region. at top and bottom, looks like other door.
Center hinge also looked like it was pinching when closed
Removed one leaf of center hinge, little improvement, but still springs back.
Hinge mortises look pretty good.
If jamb is twisted, can the hinges be set deeper or shimmed to correct it? (jamb is probably 10″ to 12″ deep)
Could the stop be causing the spring back at the center hinge where it pretty much contacts the door?
(is it easier to remove the stop and reset it or to shave/sand it to clear?)
Thoughts of things to do or consider tomorrow (concerning the door.
Thanks.
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Hinge mortises look pretty good or right? Doesn't take much of the hinge leaves sitting proud to cause spring back. Otherwise, I wind up just closing the doors over and over again veryyyyyyyyyy slowly to find the issue, feeling for the least resistance and then deciding what's the best way to remedy...
PaulB
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I'll check to see how, if any, proud they may be. They looked flush compared to the big box offerings I've run into.TFB (Bill)
Paul's got the message I use. I close the door watching closely the hinges. If they move just a bit-it's hinge bound. Most likely caused by the jamb being twisted. Whether you have room to rock the hinges is your decision.
When closed, are they meeting in plane all the way along the edge?
A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
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"When closed, are they meeting in plane all the way along the edge?""they" being the doors? If you hold the right (springing) door closed next to the closed left door, they look great and in plane with each other."they" being the hinges? I don't follow, (must mean the doors, right?)TFB (Bill)
They?
Yup, the doors. If they are meeting yet spring apart-you might have the jambs in plane-but the one side jamb might be splayed a bit, pulling the door with it.
If you have room-you might be able to shim the hinges. If not and you don't want to plane the doors-then the jamb's gotta be moved.
Best of luck.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
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Thanks for the help and luck.TFB (Bill)
TFB,To check for hinge bound just loosen the hinge screws on the jamb a little bit till the hinge is proud of the casing. Close door and check. Shim with playing card or similar. KK
Thanks for the tip.TFB (Bill)
I'm with Paul and Calvin.
Open the door 6" and close it, watching the hinge barrels. Do this repeatedly. If one of the barrels moves towards the doorknob even slightly, the door is hingebound, meaning that the hinge leaves touch each other before the door is completely closed.
A lot of us guys always bevel the hinge edge as well as the latch edge just to make sure that this never happens.
After the fact, we'd all like to avoid refinishing the door after planing, so we go to the cheats: slipping a wooden coffee-stirrer (approx 1/32"(+) thick) behind the hinge on the barrel side of the door is sometimes enough. If it still binds, slip another stirrer behind the other leaf, still on the barrel side.
Sometime we succeed in solving the binding problem, but because of all that shimming, the doors now rub at the astragal. With any luck, there's enough room between the other door and its jamb to deepen the hinge mortises slightly, or to shim the hinge leaves at their STOP edges. This shimming actually rotates the hinge barrel AWAY from the door opening, pulling the doors apart at their meeting edges.
Semper Tweak.
AitchKay
No astragal on these, so that helps.Guess I'll go to the donut shop in the morning.TFB (Bill)
That is why i bevel the hinge side of the door. To many times I've run into a twisted jamb or something else that causes hinge bind.
As far as the stop contacting the door. put a block along side the stop and "persuade" it over a bit with a few whacks of your hammer.
Will Rogers
"persuade" it overI like that. Painter is going to paint one way or the other if it is the stop.TFB (Bill)
Those little nails bend pretty easy and it shouldn't need much."There are three kinds of men: The one that learns by reading, the few who learn by observation and the rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."Will Rogers
If the door is hitting the stop, that could very well be the problem.
Like someone else said, use a block of wood and drive the stop over to give some clearance.
If that's all it is, your trip over will take longer than the cure.
Upon further inspection the interior reveal was pinched at the top and bottom.
The jambs probably needed to be shimmed better behind the hinges.
Got it fixed though.
Shimmed the hinges at the barrel side of the jamb leaves.
(forgot to get donuts so had no coffee stir things, forgot to get an old deck of cards. Used my business cards, somebody will get a kick out of it in 15 or 20 years.)
Knocked the stop into alignment with the door.
Wacked the jamb over top and bottom.
Painter comes next week to caulk and paint.
Thanks for the help everyone.