Eventually we’ll do some construction…
Howdy;
I thought I’d pass some pictures along of my home remodel because I hope to be bending the ear of folks in the construction forum soon enough. Right now it’s still a lot of demo work on the interior of this old, old brick church. We’re tearing down to the brick on the interior, and building a 4-5ft knee wall around the outer wall of the sanctuary as an architectural feature, and possibly to house some radiant heat. I’m wrestling with heating options right now, because I want to avoid forced air if at all possible. We’ll have tall vertical volumes – around 30+ feet at the peak, so I’m trying to work out a radiant solution. I’m told the floor would be pretty inefficient, as it’s 1″ true pine t&g and would have to run pretty hot if we ran the hydronic underneath (we have a full height basement – so access to the underside isn’t an issue). We’ll be keeping the old floor, as it’s really beautiful and still bears evidence of where the pews were nailed down.
Right now there’s a floor separating the lower/upper parts of the sanctuary, and that will be cut back to produce a 2/3 opening and 1/3 loft/deck space for the second floor:
Lower sanctuary:
http://www.eyepulp.net/photo/viewSection.asp?sectionID=100232
Upper sanctuary:
http://www.eyepulp.net/photo/viewSection.asp?sectionID=100218
The model of where we’re headed (sort of…things change weekly):
http://www.eyepulp.net/photo/viewSection.asp?sectionID=100219
Anyhow, we’ll be doing a lot of interior partitioning and a bit of structural work for the loft and various other suspended bits. Soon enough I hope my questions start qualifying as construction related… demo work gets a little depressing after a while.
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eye... should be interesting..
what kind of cricket will you build behind the tower ?
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you can see it suggested in this shot...http://www.eyepulp.net/photo/imgStream.asp?imageID=103821&w=500
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You've roofed a boatload. And this is an old church so I suppose there's already one up there. But I imagine the detail would have to be pretty darn important, there's alot of water at a good rate of speed heading down to that tower.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
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In the link I replied to Mike, there is a joist on that model on the back sides of the tower. If several joists proceeded at that level, I suppose the saddle or cricket woul dbe about 3/12.I would want it to be as steeply pitched as possible for two reasons. It looks like there is room in the model to raise it steeper.First it would shed water and debris faster.But also, it would make that saddle larger and the valley leading to it smaller so there would be less velocity and volumn hitting directly...The volumn overall would still be the same though and that on unequal or bastard valleys tucked up there.How I would detail it would depend on the climate, whether this is in the shade or suny side, whether prevailing wainds would be likely to drop a lot of drifting snow there....
But I'd probably want to skin it completely with I&W, then slip sheet and have copper soldered to make it all happen.This is an exiosting place already, so I would take a good look at what is there now, whether it shows signs of having ever leaked, and would learn from my predecessor - his mistakes especially.you know I hate anything stuck in a valley, but this does look doable, more or less.
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Heh - it's enlightening to hear about this part of the roof - I've spent a lot of time near the saddle when we were tearing out the ceiling, and again when we insulated. It just "made sense" when I finally asked someone why it was popped up in that spot. The original wood sheathing in that area didn't show noticeable signs of rot or staining, though there are other areas that they didn't take care of over the life of the place. It had a slate roof originally, and at some point they removed it and put plywood sheathing over the original t&g pine sheathing, and it's had two layers of asphalt shingles since then.I've got one leak, and I can't get anyone to come take a look let alone bid on it. The chimney flashing, which looks like it has some thin concrete patches over it, leaks after a long rain.Other than that, the roof seems to have done its job fairly well given the age of the structure (111 years old, we think).--------------------------
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It's too bad the slates were taken off- unless they were crap from Penn. they would probably still have life in them.
Is your leak the one at the chimney flashing or somewhere else?Keep the pictures coming- this has the look of a great thread here.
Walter
Here's a somewhat general question, and maybe best left for another thread.The brickwork on the lower 3-4 feet of the interior wall has areas where the mortar has turned to a powder. There are a number of loose bricks in spots. The layer of brick immediately behind has good mortar, however. My question is - how critical is it to repair this brick if we'll just be hiding all of it under our knee-wall?And if we do need to repair it - since aesthetics aren't an issue, would I be asking for trouble to do it myself?Thanks for any thoughts.--------------------------
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You might want to "parge" this area with a fiber reinforced bonding cement.
If it won't show I can't see the need for repointing or re-laying this area.
Walter
Oooh- Parge. I like learning new terms. What about with bricks that aren't loose, but have lost a good amount of visible mortar? Should patch 'em up so they don't get worse?--------------------------
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The parge coat will solidify all the bricks and mortar together- but aesthetically it's not appealling. You'll be covering this whole area with a knee wall though right?
Did you see my post last nite asking about the source of your roof leakage?
Walter
Walter;
I re-read and saw your question just now. The answer is yes, the one leak we have is from (as best as I can tell) the flashing around a chimney.We won't be using the chimney, so I'm trying to get someone out here to take it down and actually sheath/shingle with a patch woven into that spot. Seems like that should cure the problem for the long haul.--------------------------
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Thats a real good way to eliminate the leakage! Eliminate the porly flashed penetration.
Looks like a really sweet project you've got going. I hope you'll us up to date as work proceeds. Walter
Whats the next flashing in this situation if you wanted to save a few pennies? Terne? Ashphalt?
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Depending on the climate and conditions it COULD be done with typical sidewall flashing and lapped valley with I&W under the shingles.
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"what kind of cricket will you build behind the tower ?"None, Churches don't have crickets, they have baptistries.Don't you know anything about building?.
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
I'll bite - what's a cricket?I do know there's a saddle in the roof on the opposite corner of the bell tower, which keeps too much junk from getting caught between the roof valley and bell tower.For the record, the bell works.--------------------------
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I'm not seeing any photos. Just "Getting less plastered
Over a few nights Sally and I tackled getting down to the bare brick in the lower part of the sanctuary. Now we need to clean it out.
Photo Home » Projects » Church in Progress » Getting less plastered"
I gotta run an active-X control to see anything?
Rebeccah
Hey Rebeccah;
No special plugins needed, just a standard browser as far as I know. Sorry for the trouble. =)--------------------------
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Very nice. You're right, this is the drudgery part.
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Looks like a thoroughly marvelous project! You're model is stunning.
The blog is a fun thread in itself.
Walter
>>>>>>>>Looks like a thoroughly marvelous project! You're model is stunning.Walter! You're a grizzled old roofer - you can't use words like "marvelous" and "stunning". :}You're right, it is, though.http://logancustomcopper.com
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Grant,
I don't remember saying I was grizzled !!! Does this screen act as a web cam?
Walter
So how are those new bones getting along with the old ones?
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Paul,
Are you talking about the MIS hip replacement?
Thats doing fine after a set back with a staph infection last Fall.
Ouch, that can be serious. Glad the mechanicals are working for you.
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>>>>>>>>>I don't remember saying I was grizzled !!! Anybody that's been a roofer for a few years is a little grizzled. I know from personal experience. Actually, I was a little grizzled before I started roofing.http://logancustomcopper.com
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0Hey folks;
I picked up a sand blaster from my uncle, and hope to do some blasting to clean the brick up where it's going to be exposed. Any recommendations on what products to use to seal the brick without making it glossy and gross? I want things to basically all be glued in place by the sealer, so it doesn't flake off over time - or doesn't need a touch up for a number of years.Any suggestions?PS: I accept answers regardless of how grizzled you are or aren't.--------------------------
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