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   Thomas_Moen | Sep 13, 2001 08:40am | #1

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   I didn't find your design on the website, but I suspect that what your builder really meant was that it would require MAJOR changes to the whole design. Sometimes changes are simple, and sometimes they start a domino effect of modifications that eventually compromise a well thought out design.

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   piffin_ | Sep 14, 2001 02:05am | #2

   *What thomas said is most likely the case. occasionally a builder haas all the imagination of a box of rocks or all the ambition of a slug. If you even suspect this is the case, You need another builder and he needs another customer. If, however, he has a good track record, you need to not be second guessing him. This relationship is much like a marriage. Without trust, nobody's happy.I would need a full set of plans and a consultation fee to answer your question, as involved as it might be.With that said, this is a pictuire of a building I designed with a 9'4" cieling in the first floor and a 8' high fascia outside. There are many relationships and variables with pitch, overhang, framing materials, etc.Now don't look too close at the paint job - it is a perfect example of what can happen when the customer tries to do some of his own work to save money. (hint, hint)

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   Joe_Hennessey | Sep 14, 2001 03:28am | #3

   *Wait'll Pi sees that picture!

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   piffin_ | Sep 14, 2001 03:33am | #4

   *I'm dumb!?

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   y_strickler | Sep 14, 2001 05:42am | #5

   *I already have a great design by an architectural firm, called Stephen Fuller Design Techniques. The design calls for an 11 ft interior with an 11 ft soffet and the builder says that it can't be done. So what you're saying to me is that it is possible that my builder has issues??I can't change builders now, because we are now five months into the build job, the end result is a bad roof job. I'm just trying to gather information to see if it is actually possible to follow the plans.Thanks

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   piffin_ | Sep 14, 2001 06:07am | #6

   *If this has been designed already and you are building then the designers should have provided detail drawings showing exactly how it will be done. Thjis is the cross section you refer to in your original post. If the only reference is in detail notes attached to the drawings it might be a typo and the designers should be able to straighten it out for you. I can't visualize it without drawings and I'm sure your builder is having a hard time too. You can't ask us for a cross section of a design they did. It wouldn't mean anything for me to send a cross ssection of a building. I have several - all different. anything is always possible, if you want to spend bucks for it.This is starting to sound like an error or ommission from the designers (not uncommon) that the builder should have caught long before now. There seems to be some missing communications here. Is everybody working together as a team or each going his own way, trying to cast blame on the other guy?

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   piffin_ | Sep 14, 2001 06:22am | #7

   *This could also be similar to another situation I've seen before.First, When an arch firm does a design the first drawings are called concept drawings, They are done to present the ideas to the customer and might be very clean and good looking. They lack most of the actual detail work though. That costs a lot of money and time. It is also when the problems are discovered in the poriginal concept and worked out in working drwings. So the complete process usually entails : concept, then plans, then working drawings. Most experienced builders can usually produce a home from lines on paper at any stage. He may not need working drawings and detail drawings. Sometimes what happens is that the clients look at the concept and say, "We love it" and think they've got finished plans right there and that's all they need. They let the architect off the hook to save money and retain a builder to commence erection from the "drawing on a napkin" stage. Later the builder finds that something just won't work because there is a darn good reason for spending the money to to complete drawings in the beginning before any nail is driven.I don't have all the facts here.....

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   jim_at_great_white | Sep 15, 2001 06:27am | #8

   *raise the heal hieght of the trusses or build afunky rafter detail and you should have what you're looking for.jim

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   blue_eyed_devil_ | Sep 17, 2001 01:04pm | #9

   *Raise the heel height. If the ceiling is not flat, you might have to double frame it (they call the second ceiling "falsework").blue

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   y_strickler | Sep 17, 2001 01:04pm | #10

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   My builder said there is no way I can have an 11 ft ceiling with the bottom of the gables being 11 ft above finished floor. Is this true? if not, can your refer me to a cross section of one. The home design I am trying to get is on http://www.stephenfuller.com under old world design 242 brisbois court.