Can anyone recommend any good framing books to me, looking for basic and roofs. I can frame walls alright but would like to learn more especially about roof framing, anyone have any favorites?
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CAG
I dont have the names of em but Taunton Press sells videos and books on the subject. Look it up in their website.....or ask Piff...lol
Be well
Namaste
Andy
It's not who's right, it's who's left ~ http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
Hey go to bed! I'm tired and ready for bed and it's not quite 10 here :-)
Tim
I get so exhausted from my day I fall out at 7 and wake at 10:30 and am up all night. Bad habit I need to change.
Sweet dreams cupcake....ROFLO
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Andy......lolIt's not who's right, it's who's left ~ http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
There is a Best of Finehomebuilding book at Home Depot on roofs. It is pretty interesting. You can subscribe to JLC online and get all their back issues on CD and on the web. I highly recommend that. Finehomebuilding just put out a CD. So far I'm not all that impressed.
For books, there is "Roof Framing" by Marshall Gross that is cumbersome.
"Roof Cutters Secrets" by Will Holladay, but that is a bit more technical.
Were you looking for beginner or advanced? I also recommend http://www.jlconline.com and go to the forums. The rough framing forum has some great discussions. Also for some good articles go to http://www.josephfusco.com. The discussion boards there are a pretty good source as well.
Thanks both of you,
As for the FHB CD they have out I have a hard time seeing how a cd with roughly 500 articles is worth 125 bucks
The CD is closer to 600 articles, along with all of the Tips and Techniques department from the first 146 issues, but what it's worth is a judgement that only the consumer can make. (Hmm, 600 articles, all how-to, no house stories, is equivalent to about 60 issues @ $8 each on the newsstand, which is $480....) As an alternative, we're beginning to sell smaller packages of old articles on-line. I'm embarrassed to admit that I don't remember all the details, but click over to our home page and you can find out.
Edit: Here's the link: http://www.taunton.com/store/fharchive/index.asp
Andy Engel, The Former Accidental Moderator
Edited 12/5/2002 8:04:03 AM ET by ANDYENGEL
Ya know what everyone......do as we all did.....make mistakes! Rip it apart and then do it right.......even with the books and videos. Just get it right by the time the jobs done.......Its how we all started.
Be well
Namaste
AndyIt's not who's right, it's who's left ~ http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
I can almost see your point, but the cost of running a copy of the magazine is far more then the cost of burning a CD on top of that its old articles, not to say they are not still informative, just that the work to complete the article has been done, all that's left is to arrange the format of the CD. The cost of the CD is up there with moderately complicated computer programs, just seems overpriced to me?
See, all the work hadn't been done. We had to have each article physically scanned with OCR software and placed into a searchable database. (If you've ever used OCR, you'll know that each article had to be proofread, several times, for subtle stuff. For example, Allen wrench tends to become Alien wrench because the software has a hard time distinguishing the lower case i from the lower case l. It seemed like every other fraction was wrong, italicized text is next to hopeless, and so on.) Then, the pictures had to be remarried to the text. Also, we had to select the articles and secure electronic copyrights going back over 20 years. Did you ever try to find someone with whom you had dealings once, 20 years ago?
It wasn't a simple matter of burning CDs from existing electronic files. Making the CDs took a bunch of time and effort. I don't really expect anyone to factor this info into their buying decision -- It's either worth it to you or it's not. But I thought the work that went into this project might interest you.
Andy Engel, The Former Accidental Moderator
I dont mean to be insulting or say what work that had gone into the CD is nothing, I'm sure it wasn't as easy I suspect.
No offence taken. I'm glad in fact, for the opportunity to go on a bit about what it took to make the CD. I figured that folks might be a little interested in a glimpse into the day to day operations of FHB.
Andy Engel, The Former Accidental Moderator
I'm going to ask for another glimpse then :-) Can you tell us what kind of articles Finehomebuilding is considering for future issues?
Question Mr Moderator of the past.
If I have all the issues of FHB, which I think I have most, why would I want the CD?
Be a wall
Namaste'
ydnAYou don’t complete your inner work before you do your outer work. Nor do you say, "Well, the hell with the inner work: I’ll go do the outer work because it’s so important and pressing." That’s not conscious either. The conscious thing is the simultaneous doing of both. "Ram Dass"http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
Because it takes up less space on the bookshelf? Because it's easily searched? Because you'll bless your foresight the next time moving day rolls around?
Andy Engel, The Former Accidental Moderator
$100.00 bucks is too much to pay for 600 articles written about the building trade, by building professionals, over a 20 year span? Are you out of your frikkin' gourd?
Dud Race used to always say "squeeze the nickels and dimes so tight that the dollars flow right through your hands".
You gotta be kiddin' me. 100 bucks? You can't take the missus and three kids out to eat twice for that.
Now personally, I think the CD should sell for at least twice that amount. Then Taunton could pay current authors what they deserve, and 1/2 of them wouldn't have to drive all those F*rds I see in the background so often. That reflects poorly on our profession.
Brinkmann for president in '04
Hey Andy
You better not speak to loudly because the newbies just might wait for the CD's and not buy the rags. Personally I'd like a CD for maybe ten bucks or less ( or an XMAS gift) that points out to us good customers which rag has which articles. Now THAT would be nice of you.
Psssttttt....26 Goose Hill Rd, Cold Spring Harbor, L.I, NY, 11724....lol
Be a wall and don't get floored
Namaste
Andy C
You don’t complete your inner work before you do your outer work. Nor do you say, "Well, the hell with the inner work: I’ll go do the outer work because it’s so important and pressing." That’s not conscious either. The conscious thing is the simultaneous doing of both. "Ram Dass"http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
Edited 12/9/2002 5:02:27 PM ET by Andy Clifford(Andybuildz)
Hey Ramadamadingdong,
"Personally I'd like a CD for maybe ten bucks or less ( or an XMAS gift) that points out to us good customers which rag has which articles."
Become one with your website... Article Index
Nanu ;-)
Thanks QT.....I reckon I missed that site somehow.
OK so a FHB hat will do then
Namaste
AndyYou don’t complete your inner work before you do your outer work. Nor do you say, "Well, the hell with the inner work: I’ll go do the outer work because it’s so important and pressing." That’s not conscious either. The conscious thing is the simultaneous doing of both. "Ram Dass"http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
Just use roof trusses - They're the answer to all your problems.
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(Ya can't blame me for a bit of self promotion now and then can ya ???)
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CAG, there are four books I have from Taunton that are great books and that have helped me get ahead on my framing crew. The first two are Homebuilding Basics: Carpentry and The Very Efficient Carpenter both by Larry Haun. I consider both essential to my library and frequently consult both when I am trying to learn a new tecnique on my own. The last two are colections of articles from FHB and are entitled Framing Floors, Walls, and Ceilings and Framing Roofs. The former is very useful as it contains much information on how to streamline production and avoid potential errors. One book I would not recommend is Precision Framing from Guertin and Arnold; it bogs down in floor framing techniques and has virtually no info on stick-built roofs. Hope this helps!
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MITCH
Captain,
I agree with you about "Precision Framing." I bought and read that book and was not impressed. I do like "Rough Framing" by Mark Currie. I think it's a good book, I'm not sure how much I learned that I did't already know, but it's written with some enthusiasm.
I do highly recommend buying the JLC CD-ROM. There is a wealth of info there.
Marshall Gross's "Roof Framing" should help you with the basics. May I suggest purchasing a Construction Master it will simplify your roof cutting.
What is a construction master?
A Construction Master is a construction calculator, it simplifies roof cutting because you can punch rise and run and get a rafter length without converting to decimal form. For example if your run is 10' 6 1/2" and your rise is 5' 6 1/4" that is what you punch in and you get your rafter length in feet and inches. Of course it doesn't allow for shortening. It is also handy for stair layout, rake walls I think it will even calculate concrete! As with any calculator it has many applications. I think they go for about $70 but it is money well spent.
CAG,
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Get Larry Haun's book "The Very Efficient Carpenter".
Barry Mussel's a Roof Framers Bible....The easiest to follow and most comprehensive roof framing book out there.
A book I've learned a lot from is "Residential Framing" by William P. Spence. In my opinion a very good book.
Skip the reading, and move to Michigan's UP, and sign on with my old boss. That guy can frame anything! That's how I learned. Beyond that, there are guys here, and at JLC that know all you could possibly want to know, and then some. Just ask!
Brudoggie
thanks again all