I am having a room spackled that I just finished sheetrocking. The job is not very big but it encompasses a couple of rooms (not every wall on each room) and some patching.
The spackler is using Sheetrock EasySand 45 Setting Powder and just did 2 coats in the matter of a couple of hours. Should you wait longer between coats or is this OK?
He might even come back tonight and do a final third coat. Is this rushing it?
Thanks.
Brad
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look on the bucket, I used lightweight joint compound and it needs overnight to dry properly
the guy used speed mud...
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The stuff comes in a bag and you mix water with it.
what does it say on the bag???
I'd go for it....
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First the term spackling is missleading.
I have only seen it used on small packages of material use for things like patching nail holes in DW and similar small areas.
But I have seen other people use the term instead of "mud" or more accurate drywall compound.
The easy sand is a settling type of drywall compound and it cures by a chemical reactions. For the 45 minute stuff after 60 minutes or so it will as hard as it will get. However it will still be damp and while high ridges could be scrapped off it can't be saned at that time.
It is used specifically for small jobs like this so that it can be quickly recoated.
The more common premixed compound cures by drying and it can take hours or a day to dry.
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
To me - 'spackling' has always meant small patches. I buy vinyl spackle in a one pound tub or smaller and use it to fill where somebody had pictures hanging and left a hole in the wall from the nail or screw.But I have noticed that in some areas, I think the midwest mostly, that the local regional term for finishing sheetrock is spackling
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As far as I know, it's called taping and spackling around here too. Around here is New Jersey.
And just hearing it called spackling drives me nuts, just like hearing a mason who can't say masonry correctly.
In the interest of not driving you nuts :-) and for my own edification, what should it be called?
BTW, most people around here call gypsum board "sheetrock". I call it drywall, but I don't correct them if they say "sheetrock". I probably would correct them if they said "masonary" (the horror!).
Sheetrock is a brand name, registered.
Drywall is a generic name.Like Skilsaw vs circular saw
or Formica, vs plastic laminate Rather than Spackling, I say mud and tape or drywall finishing.
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or how about "hang and finish" - encompass all............
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Edited 12/5/2007 6:58 pm by IMERC
Well, one crew hangs and another crew finishes.
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most generally the same crew does both here...
it seems to be the rule rather than the exception...
okay so make it "rock n' finish"...
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You think that guy's working fast--go here http://www.betterthanevertools.com/ click to launch video and watch these dudes!
I don't mean to nit-pick....and I realize that you weren't necessarily endorsing the product...but according to the video, the "Better Than Ever" taping system was 2 minutes faster than the "Bazooka" taping system in a comparison of one room with a small closet.
2 minutes?
They're pitching this product as a time saver....and 2 minutes was all that could be bragged?
Somebody spent a whole lotta time and money reinventing the mousetrap in order to shave two minutes off of a small project.
J. D. ReynoldsHome Improvements
2 min for a half of a room...
on a huge commercial project with 30 or 40 finishers...
that will add up....
seems like there is a lot more product waste with that system...
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Tell me it'll cut 30 mins. off a room and I'm impressed.
I agree...does look like effort saved may equal material lost.
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seemed like the potential was there for making a much bigger mess that would add a lot more clean up...
and the hand placed cieling tape...
ever have it peel before ya could knief it...
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ever have it peel before ya could knief it...
Always....which is why I leave taping to "others".
J. D. ReynoldsHome Improvements
My guys would be out of a room in 30mins--I'd like to see a 30 minute savings too!
I was actually looking for the footage on the DVD they sent my with my tools. It has guys using their 'super taper' system, where they pull mudded tape thru their little machine, into a bucket worn at the hip. Then they trapse around the room slapping the tape off over seams and striking it off smooth with taping knives so fast it makes you laugh.
I bought cornerflushers and an ext handle from them after reading this article in JLC http://www.fullcircleinternational.com/pdf/How%20To%20Drywall%20-%20Sanding(small%20Jobs).pdf
By the time I read this article, I was fairly proficient. Knew the Myron Ferguson book in and out and had been doing my own small drywall jobs for years. The tools and method described made me so much faster.
As for endorsing a product--I doesn't really matter to me what anybody went out and bought, but FWIW 'Better-than-ever-tools' Jim was very responsive, kind and informative. Helped me buy only what I needed and shipped promptly.
I like Canadians.
Here we've got hangers and we've got tapers. Tapers set their tape in mud. Mud can be bucket mud or hot mud. Hot mud can be Durabond or EZ sand.
What about "Crack Spackle." Take's care of plumber's crack.
That's a trade item too, right?
JK
"Spackle" is what I know for small patches and the compound is usually flexible or reinforced, like you said. "Fixall" being one I've used.
"Fixall" being one I've used."Have you noticed that "Fixall" is now called "Fixitall"? Same label design but name changed for some reason.BruceT
Gypsum wallboard is the absolute correct term.
Gypboard is a vernacular abbreviation.
Sheetrock is a brand name, owned by USG, I believe.
Drywall... hmmm, I don't know about that. I'd bet that's a brand name, too.
There is no need for setting compound to dry completely before adding additional coats. In fact, there is no need for it to even fully cure other than it would be really, really hard to to. But the resulting job will reflect on the skill of the "spackler" (mudder?), not on the material or how fast it was re-coated.
I've even painted while it was still a little damp, but I don't recommend it. Ideally, the compound should be completely dry before it's painted.
Where it says 45, that means it sets up in fourty five minutes. I would be using the same thing for a job that I needed to go off fast like that.
For a smaller patch in a wall, I have used Easysand 30 and had the finishing done three coats by lunch and primered. then paint the wall after lunch and head home early.
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He is not rushing it. Easy sand is more expensive and better then premixed bucket compound. For patching work it is the best thing to use.
You should be concerned if he was using premixed bucket mud.
Brad,
Like the others are saying, doing several coats in one day is perfectly fine when using setting-type mud.
It is good to let it get fully dry before sanding, as damp cured mud will gum up the paper and not sand cleanly. It is also a good idea to let the job dry out before painting, too. Dryness is absolutely essential if priming with solvent based primer, less critical with latex.
Your guy may do a final finish coat with mud from a bucket, over top of the setting compound. This is also well and good.
Bill
Thats what its for. They make a 5min blend that can be recoated 5-10 min after initial application.
It will be fine. I use the 45 or 90 min for the same reason, it saves time and gas.
I usually final coat with light weight from a bucket. I find it usually spreads better.
We did a similar job yesterday.
Morning, finished rockin.
1:30, Taping with easy sand 45.
3:00, second coat with easy sand 20.
4;00 top coat with lightweight pre-mix (bucket).
This morning we will sand it. They call the setting type easy-sand, but it doesnt really sand all that easy, so I like to use the pre-mix for the top coat.
For the bigger jobs we use the e sand 90, 180 or buckets.
When people say spackling, I think of filling nail holes or small cracks, with the little container of "spackle".
Sounds like he knows exactly what he is doing - job should be fine unless he messes up the topcoat.
Jim
Well the job is done and it looks good. I never would have believed in 2 days it would be done. It would have probably taken me 2 weeks and a houseful of dust.
He told me I should prime one coat with a 3/4" nap roller and paint 2 coats with a 1/2" nap roller. Before this I never really payed much attention when I painted, I always used the 3/8" "value pack." He said too many wall imperfections show using a 3/8" nap roller.
Does this sound good to you?
sounds good to me...
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I stick with the 3/8" nap because I don't need to hide imperfections
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They do add character don't they . ;-)
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
Come on.... I'd expect you to use nothing less then 1/4"
I'm shocked.
I saw his rollers...
wundered how come he had so many glue applicators...
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