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   JeffBuck | Jul 13, 2006 06:28am | #1

   "I just wonder if there is any need to separate the two appliances by an insulated gable."

   I dunno what an insulated gable is ... but U don't need one.

    

   old school thinking is don't put a hot and a cold next to each other as they'll "fight" each other ... but todays mid to high end appliances are pretty well designed and insulated. If that's the only place it'll fit then fit it in.

    

   Jeff

       Buck Construction

    Artistry In Carpentry

        Pittsburgh Pa

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   deuxparcat | Jul 13, 2006 04:42pm | #6

   Hi Jeff

   Thanks for your answer. All the appliances are fairly high end (Dacor and Sub-Zero) and  as per your reply, they should be well built. I'll go ahead with this layout, but try to separate them by 2 or more inches so I don't run into a door swing issue with the freezer door side.

   Thanks again

   deuxparcat

   By the way, I like your "motto" Artistry in Carpentry.

    

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   tfarwell | Jul 13, 2006 07:12am | #2

   I agree - the new designs are pretty well insulated. That being said, you could likely slide a 1" or 2" piece of rigid foam inside the double oven cabinet. Even if it has a marginal positive effect, the cost is small and the risk is zero.

    

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   USAnigel | Jul 13, 2006 01:53pm | #3

   Only problem you might get is lack of clearance for opening of the doors on each unit.

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   deuxparcat | Jul 13, 2006 04:44pm | #7

   Good point regarding the door swing issue. I will beef up the gable/pilaster to separate the two appliances so the freezer door will open +90 degrees.

   Thanks

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   sully13 | Jul 13, 2006 04:22pm | #4

   Something else to consider is the issue of landing space. You don't say if there are sufficient landing areas next to both the fridge and oven.

   I always try to incorporate a minimum of 15" of counter space next to the freezer side of a fridge, and a minimum of 18" on at least one side of a wall oven.  Sometimes I have to choose function over form in the design of my kitchens.  

   It is also a safety issue and just makes good design sense.

   sully 

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   deuxparcat | Jul 13, 2006 05:14pm | #8

   Good advice. I will have 36" of counter on the fridge side and about 30" of 18" deep counter on the oven side. There is also an island which can act as a landing pad for stuff. Given the various comments, I may sacrifice a bit of the upper cabinet space beside the fridge to move it so I could try to separate the two appliances by about 24" of counter. The problem with moving them too far apart is that the oven then ends up too close to a door way and the fridge takes up too much critical upper cabinet space. It a reno of an old home so there are always compromises!

   Thanks

    

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   alwaysoverbudget | Jul 13, 2006 04:39pm | #5

   i have the exact setup in our kitchen. heat is know problem,but..... the one problem i do have is that the only thing that seperates the 2 visually is the 2" stile. when i built the cabinets looked like no problem ,real world is a little different. with the oven installed the oven handle sticks out about 2.5 ".when you open the frige door it comes around and hits the handle.so the door will not open past about 95 degrees plus you have to be careful not to dent it. try to either seperate with at least 4-5 inches or let the fridge stand out a couple inches past the oven front so that there will be plenty of clearance. larry

   hand me the chainsaw, i need to trim the casing just a hair.

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   deuxparcat | Jul 13, 2006 05:17pm | #9

   Yes, an earlier posting eluded to that and I will now attempt to separate the two by a counter space or a pilaster of at least 3" clear.

   Thanks

    

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   deuxparcat | Jul 13, 2006 05:22pm | #10

   Hey Larry

   Just reread your message....guess I'll need to increase the pilaster to 5", in which case it is getting wide enough to be designed as one of those narrow pull-outs for spices (wouldn't put them next to the heat tho) or for extra cookie trays or oven racks.

   Thanks again

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   Soultrain | Jul 13, 2006 09:51pm | #11

   Don't know if this will work for you, but we put one cabinet in between with a narrow counter space.  It works well for taking stuff in & out of either one since there is a handy place to set items while opening doors.

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   deuxparcat | Jul 14, 2006 02:48am | #12

   Thanks...that's what I've ended up doing. I did get a response back from Sub-Zero (the fridge manuf.) and they recommended a 6" stand off between the two appliances. At the moment (as a result of "suddenly" adding a window to the design) I will have 24" between the two appliances which should be ample for loading and unloading stuff. I will do a drawer and single door below. ...the drawer being handy for oven mitts and the cabinet below will have vertical dividers for baking sheets and extra racks.

   Thanks everyone for the good advice.

    

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   Gene_Davis | Jul 14, 2006 05:11am | #13

   Whatever you do, don't do this.  And furthermore, look very carefully at the installation specs for the fridge on clearance needed to swing the doors a full 130, so the drawers insided can be pulled out.

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   BTW, where did you end up putting the microwave?

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   deuxparcat | Jul 14, 2006 07:03am | #14

   YIKES-I hope a very tall person owns that house...or the drawer below the ovens is a pull-out step to reach that mighty high MW.

   I read the Sub-Zero spec and it does say the door need only open 90 degrees to pull out the drawers.

   The microwave in the kitchen I am working on gets very little use so it is actually going to go in the eating area as the client says she only uses it to zap a cold coffee.