Wondering if anyone has info. regarding loss of structural integrity, rot/insect resistance in timber milled from recovered submerged old growth logs???
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Nope,
but they sure are beautiful though!
I'm sure someone will be along with a little more knowledge than I have to offer. I'm thinking Sphere may have something to add to this.
A shoutout to Sphere for a little help.
............was the cabin sunk once:)?
Or part of an ark maybe?
Maybe it's not raining down there Brian........some of us might actually be working!!
EricEvery once in a while, something goes right!
Dude its POURING here right now. Thunder, lightning, the whole deal. I just finished putting the second coat of Herculiner roll-on bed liner in my truck like an hour before it started.....sweeeeet. I have the worst luck in the world. Right now there's a tarp nailed to the front of my "garage" (my garage is little more than a big shed) and stretched all the way over the truck and bungeed to the bumper. I set that up this morning before the rain. That Herculiner's base is Xylene....try working that crap under a frickin' tent some day. I walked out of there with the buzz to end all buzzes. It's looking like a white trash picnic over here right now.
At least it's holding up for now anyway.
Oh yeah....sorry for the Hijack ALL.
hijack smijack, we're still waiting for log guy to chime up!!
>>That Herculiner's base is Xylene....try working that crap under a frickin' tent some day. I walked out of there with the buzz to end all buzzes.
I wonder if Bob W is aware of that?? At least you did something constructive, I sat here in front of the puter like a dazed moron most of the day! Oh, vacuumed the place for dw too! (don't let anyone know that)
Stay dry.
Eric
Every once in a while, something goes right!
I want to do my truck too, let me know how its works out.
Like I said, it's all tarped over now. In the good light tomorrow I probably do a touch up or two, then take pictures.
I read the instructions on the website first, and they kinda scared me. I just did everything they told me to prep wise and when it was time to actually lay it on, I was pleasantly surprised. Not bad at all to work with....easy in fact. I'm thinking I'm going to do the floor of the trailer with it sometime before the weather changes.
Hardhead,
First time poster I see so Official greetings and Welcome to Breaktime.
Tell us you're on a lake and are going to be salvaging timber. That would be an interesting thread.
Ya, Sphere was my first thought on a knowledgeable source for an answer there, tho' I'm sure there's a lot of folks reading here that could chime in with some data.
sobriety is the root cause of dementia
Edited 8/21/2004 4:43 pm ET by rez
got in late, but cause ya asked
old growth= good
submergerd=little o2 for degradation=good
current decay resistance=unchanged from when it sunk,if it was resistant then, it will be now
structural?=slow grown "ring porus" Oak etc, MAY be weaker then current fast growth ,slow grown pine and other resinous softwoods are exponetially stonger then new fast grown pines
Drying is no different than when it was alive, fiber saturation point is the same.
hard to work? you betcha, again tho' no worse then when it was "new"
all in all the species dictates what to expect, and that is dictated somewhat by location..great lakes vs swamp in Mississippi. There ain't many "live oaks" in MI's U.P.
I know a story of a quilted mahagony log, that was fetching, 30k I believe.
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Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations.
Sphere
The log that I bought my birdseye from was fetching up to $75 a board ft. I got some at $35 because I wasn't looking for the big wide stuff. I didn't need it for what I was doing.
It was tempting to buy, the only thing that stopped me was the lack of cash!
It was some beautiful wood, I seen a table made out of wood from the same log. It is so distinguishable from second growth birseye.
It was the most beautiful $15,000 table that I have ever seen, coarse I haven't seen many!
Doug
I saw sumptin on tv about one of those logs IIRC..some one had a fiddle back log...and some dude made a violin from it, AWESOME.
I doubt I'd frame a house with salvaged sunk logs...{G}
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hardhead,
We use alot of "sinker" cypress and I see no difference at all except in color.
KK
I bought and used some birdseye maple that was recovered, paid about $35 a board ft for it.
When I compare it to some of my antiques of the late 18th early 19th century it looks real similar, has a richer look though. I can definitely tell it from the wood that was logged more recently.
I built a piece of furniture and I guess I don't see any structural problem with it, nor rot issues, but I wouldn't think that I would see that kind of problem in wood that just came from a tree that is 50 years old.
The one thing that I noticed about it is that it seems to mill a lot like teak does, seems to dull the blades more, might just have been my experience, don't know.
I would guess you would get more response over at Knots.
Doug
I don't post here alot (thro I read alot) , but I've worked with a fair o'bit of recycled logs. when you say lake recovered that means fresh water, right? most of the logs lose their sap wood an' their heart but the rest of it is usually nice tight wood (old growth 20-30 rings per inch or more) nice stable (after dry) wood with better structutral strength than new wood. I've only worked with oak, pine, cypress recovered from down south, an' some maple recovered from the central U.S. Insect damage is minimal due to high sap,(oil or tanin) content and lack of o2.Usually cost more than average. last time I checked old recovered cypress from FL, was about $3000/ton. Bill D. QWC
There is lots of this stuff coming out of Lake Superior and northern Wisconsin.
I haven't worked with it myself, but know several who have (for really high end cabinets).
No problems with rot, etc. -- but you had better bring lots of $$$ when ordering. This kind of old-growth stock is just plain not available newly milled, so the salvaged stuff is priced accordingly.
Basically, when they rafted logs on the lakes, a certain % would sink. Especially in the cold water of the Great Lakes the wood would be preserved. These logs are 80-120 years old in many cases, cut from virgin forests.
In other cases, timber submerged by dams is harvested. This will be newer, and somewhat less likely to be old growth, depending on where it came from (obviously).
I would guess that the care taken drying the logs would be critical, but they're valuable enough that most folks "harvesting" them are careful about this.
For a while, 15-20 yrs ago, I could get river salvaged cypress which was beautiful stuff. Used a lot for exterior cornice. Source dried up and I haven't heard of it being available lately.
Grenncu...source for old cypress last time I checked was about 1-2 yrs ago .............. Barber lumber Co. Dwayne Barber Alchua Fla. (386) 462-3772 . Tell 'em bill dalton sent ya worth a try. Bill D. quality wooodchips
Godwin lumber in Micanopy, Fl. I've also "salvaged" some cypress that fell into the St. Johns River south of Jacksonville. Quite nice even if it wasn't sunk for a century.