Found this in the news. . .
http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/local/2003/07/18millsboromankil.html
Be careful!!!!
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And I put one through my thumb and thought that was bad!
Let's not confuse the issue with facts!
I'm very sorry to here that.
I see guys no matter what crew their on standing up or walking around with there finger on the trigger.
I could care less if the guy standing next to me is 60 years old and has more experience then me framing or whatever he is doing. I will tell him to get your finger off the trigger when your standing up or walking around.
You have to DRILL it in everyones head to TAKE YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER when your done nailing something.
I shot myself twice because I didn't take my finger off the trigger and that was 17 years ago.
You have to keep that in your head everytime you shoot that gun so you don't shoot yourself or the guy next to you.
I almost cut my thumb off when I was 19 and there hasn't been one time that I turn on my saw since I did that, that I don't think of that.
These guns are no toys.
Joe Carola
Man, that guy has to be pretty torn up about his brother. Nail guns are just dangerous, as are most of the tools of the trade. I had a close call a few days ago myself with a nail gun and I was consciously doing everything right.
I was toenailing a couple of boards together end to end to make a curved base plate. I was holding back about 6 or 8 inches so I wouldn't hit my hand if the nail curled and came out the side. When I pulled the trigger the nail hit something (still don't know what) and deflected off the board raising a welt as it smacked me in the hand on its way by.
I always try to think about the path of the nail if it doesn't go in but sometimes nail guns seem to just get it in their mind to hurt you and it's hard to talk 'em out of it. It's a bad idea to make it easy for them.
Kevin Halliburton
"I believe that architecture is a pragmatic art. To become art it must be built on a foundation of necessity." - I.M. Pei -
When I was working at the nuke plant, some guys were working on a storage shed just off-site. I was the shift manager and had to call the ambulance when I received a call that one of them had hit a nail gun with his knee. The gun discharged, ruining his knee.
Although I unplug all my guns when not in use, sometimes these accidents happen. Caution, anticipation, and a boat load of respect will help prevent most of them.
I put a sequencer on mine before even using it. Thus I've never used a framing gun without it (sequencer). Is it that unthinkable to full time framers to do away with the "bounce pass"?
I shot myself in the finger within the first three hours I was using a gun, many years ago. I was lucky; the nail just nicked the bone and I was able to clean it up and keep working but it hurt like hell for over a month. Now I'm glad that happened to me: a cheap lesson right from the git-go may have been just what I needed to avoid a more permanent injury while I climbed that learning curve.
On the bounce-fire / sequencing stuff; I'd like to be able to disable bounce-firing with a switch or something like that. I find that it's when you're hanging on to the edge of the roof with one hand and standing on tip toe on the top rung of the ladder and straining to pull all that hose up with the $%%??&## gun with the other hand that you're most likely to get an accidental double-hit because you've got minimal control of the gun when you're overextended like that. That's dangerous as hell. I ought to think more about that and use my old Senco III (which doesn't bounce fire) for shots like that.
I printed out the article at the head of this post, and tomorrow morning every guy on my site is gonna read it before I open the back of the truck up. Periodic reminders....
Dinosaur
'Y-a-tu de la justice dans ce maudit monde?
I think most nail gun accidents happen when.... the operator (usually a guy) walks around with his finger on the trigger, or overshoots the edge of a stud, plate, etc.
when framing a wall...i always advise my help to only hold a stud to the plate long enough to shoot the bottom nail (close to the deck) and then move his "target" hand completely off and away from the stud he was just holding. before shooting the other nails holding the stud to the plate. of course this great advice started after watching a friend shoot himself through his hand.... yuck!
I remember an old "Emergency" episode (I know I'm dating myself) where they respond to a guy shot with a nail gun.
I hadn't used one before that, but from the day I did, I had a healthy respect for what damage they could do.
Never had an accident with one, thank god.
On the other hand, I remember my first kickback with a tablesaw.
Jeff
One of the reasons (I suspect) that a lot of guys hold a gun with their finger on the trigger, is because if you are holding the handle, then that is where your finger is -- most nailguns don't have a trigger guard. In my opinion, that is a serious design flaw.
If there were a trigger guard on any of my guns, it would be easy to rest my finger on the guard when carrying/walking.
Among my guns is a Paslode 5350. When I hold it by the handle in my right hand, at my side, the natural balance is such that the point of the gun is pointing away from my leg by about 15 degrees. That would be a good thing if I was right-handed. Instead, when I hold it in my left hand, the natural balance has the point poking me in the thigh. Bad design -- REALLY bad.
That, combined with the lack of a trigger guard, keeps me worried enough to carry that one be the magazine all the time.
Vast projects should not be founded on half vast ideas.
I never hold my finger over a trigger, and I will not put my life in the hands of dopes that do.
Sorry, this is fact # 1, and if you can't deal with it, don't pick the gun up.
Framer had it right, it does not happen!
Can you tell I have no sense of humor about this? I don't care what gun it is, I have used dozens.
Maybe it is because I started with Bostitch live fired, (no nose trip), maybe I have been shot a couple times, maybe I know someone that killed someone on the other side of a wall. These things are not a joke, and the excuses are very lame when the damage is done.
Just be safe out there.
When I'm carrying my Stanley/Bostich N80 I find it very easy to just slip my finger between the trigger and the handle instead of over the trigger. Works as well as any guard.Kevin Halliburton
"I believe that architecture is a pragmatic art. To become art it must be built on a foundation of necessity." - I.M. Pei -
I'm with Qtr on this. Anyone who's brain is lame enough that they can't keep the finger off the trigger after being told once is not alert and aware enough to be doing this kind of work. They need something that fits their state of mind, like shoveling sand from the bottom of the pile to the top of the pile. When done with the job, they can graduate to using a hammer..
Excellence is its own reward!
Anyone who in the market for a new framing nailer will notice that most companies have switched the triggers from the previous 'standard' bounce fire/contact trip trigger to the sequential fire trigger. Of course there's still old stock out there but that should flush out soon enough.
When I had a crew I swapped out most nailers from contact trip triggers to sequential just because the guys couldn't keep their fingers off the trigger. I've seen my share of nailer injuries and became gun shy years ago. Even though sequential triggers are a little slower to use than contact trip, there's no way to shoot yourself or someone else (unless it's intended).
The new trigger standard was instituted by ISANTA (International Staple, Nail and Tool Association) as a safety measure. You'll notice new 'sequential' triggers are grey and the previous standard contact trip triggers were black.
MG
OK, I'll play the suspicious cynic- what are the odds we're gonna learn that dude A with the nail gun recently found out that his brother- dude B- was doing his sister-in-law (wife of dude A)? hmmm, just happened to stand up and the gun was accidentally aimed right at his chest? he stands up, turns around, and his brother doesn't notice, doesn't move, and somehow the nose of the gun comes into contact with the center of his chest? yeah, i'll bet he thought his brother was in the other room- the brother was sneaking up on him to cap his a$$.
as the question goes- "did he fall, did he jump, or was he pushed?"
m
Crew I worked with in Little Rock, coworker 'accidently' had finger on trigger wallking down ladder, tip touched back of leg. You know the rest, right through the bone. Boss 'emptied' floor stapler by repeatedly, and I mean repeatedly, holding trigger and bouncing on floor to make sure it was empty. Then promptly found jammed staple and stapled big toe to floor. Once we stopped laughing at the swearing fool we decided to pull the staple, he wasn't that bad a boss.Let's not confuse the issue with facts!