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outta orbit

andybuildz | Posted in General Discussion on April 7, 2005 09:14am

Been getting numbers to reglaze a claw foot cast iron tub.
I know that mechanical bonding is better than molecular.

I’m getting prices outta orbit……but then again Ive gotten a price that seems fair…. around $550.
Grind the sides smooth then sand em….do the claw feet….sand the inside or what ever to get a small rust stain out then use high heat to paint.
Seven year guarantee (unless they go out of biz tomorrow) and all the others said a 2 yr guarantee for close to a grand.
Might as well buy a new one almost.

Anyone know about this stuff?
Be well
a…

The secret of Zen in two words is, “Not always so”!

When we meet, we say, Namaste’..it means..

  I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,

I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.

I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you

and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.

 

 


 

 

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  1. DonK | Apr 07, 2005 09:33pm | #1

    You mentioned the possibility of them going out of business - great point. How long have they been around? Can they show you an old job so you can see how the coating holds up under use? I've seen a couple of these done, after a couple years passed. I wasn't impressed at all. They looked painted and fake. On one, you could just about peel the stuff off. I love old things and recycle regularly, but in this situation, for my money, I would go with new-even if the new is a real good old one with some glaze still left.

    Don

    1. andybuildz | Apr 07, 2005 09:57pm | #2

      their website

      http://WWW.GLAZETEC.COMThe secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!

      When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..

        I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,

      I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.

      I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you

      and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.

       

       

       

       

      1. DonK | Apr 07, 2005 10:34pm | #4

        Andy, I'm still a skeptic.

        I looked at the website you sent. It was short on details. They talk about spraying porcelin glaze. I'm no chemist, but my understanding is that you can't spray porcelin at room temprature or anything close to it. We're talking liquid glass, right? The photos don't reassure me. They are spraying over wood cabinets as well as bathtubs, etc. That must be some great primer. It sticks to anything. They talk about new technology - other than the buzzwords, there's not much detail about that either.

        Coincidentally, the phone number is from my county (Suffolk) on Long Island (note-they don't even give an address on their website). I called the number and at 3:15 on a Thursday, there's a basic answering machine? No receptionist?  Low budget? For kicks and jollies, I'm going to see where they are located. There's one place nearby that's been doing this a few years - I don't know if it's under three different corporate names or not, but I would be curious if it's them.

        You are in Massachusetts. How much to ship the tub to Long Island, or are they coming up to you?

        Don

        1. andybuildz | Apr 07, 2005 11:13pm | #6

          I'm also in suffolk cnty, LI.....Cold Spring Harbor.
          they told me on the phone they heat the paint up to..I forget the degrees and know not much about this.Never had it done before.OK Ok..one consideration is I NEVER use a bathtub....OK once in a blue moon to be a romantic with KAtrina and I can't even remember that time....lol.We're short on cash and they sounded interesting....but who doesn't other than me....and even if they (anyone) sound real....are they really?
          A seven year promise almost scares me and I told that to Katrina...So whattya do.hire a company that says "all" the right things and yet doesn't deliver?
          Know what I mean?I'm a builder.i have all the guns including the combine sprayers but its like....how many things can I do at once and I never did that before and probably never will again even if I did this thing.I'll let ya know how it goes and gonna check the shid outta it on the side no one sees in a two days......check clear in three daze.....hmmmmm....longer than that .they're doing this on a Friday.I have a good feeling for some stupid reason.
          Probably because I'm stupid.
          Be well
          a...The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!

          When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..

            I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,

          I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.

          I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you

          and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.

           

           

           

           

          1. DonK | Apr 08, 2005 12:26am | #8

            Andy, I don't know why I thought you were up North. I was working from memory, or that which I call a memory, and didn't look at your profile until it was too late. I'm a South Shore boy myself, East Islip, though my other half spent her life in Huntington until last week and still works in Woodbury.  

            I will tell you that the company I referred to earlier is on Union Blvd. in West Islip.  I don't know if this is who you are using or not - like I said, no address on their website- but a reglazing company of one kind or another has been there for I think, at least a decade. I once looked into using them, and even looked at some pieces they had in their yard. (They were a little rippled, but okay.) 

            Try checking them out with the Suffolk County Dept. of Consumer Affairs. They'll  tell you about complaint history. I would also ask when their license was issued. Ask them for some written material on what chemicals they're using (Material Data Safety Sheet). Maybe even ask who the manufacturer is of the "glaze".

            Good Luck. If you ever come down here, maybe we can get together for a cup of coffee or a beer.

            Don

             

          2. andybuildz | Apr 08, 2005 01:44am | #9

            Hammer
            Bill
            Piff
            and
            everyone else....
            Thanks....
            I wasn't terribly uncomfortable all day with this company.
            Was bothering the hell outta me....the feedback from all you guys pushed me to where I thought I should be all day so I called the guy back and left a message on his "answering machine" saying don't come tomorrow.I have a real bad feeling about it.Maybe I'll put the tub in myself and try and spruce it up my self...Ain't all that bad cept for a small rust spot inside.....
            The outside isn't finished.......Maybe I'll box it in, in a creative way. building around the outside of it some kinda way.the refinisher told me it should take him about ...two to three to four hours.........right there.....he's outta here..takes me longer to take a dump...well, unless I have nothing to read next to the thone....lol.
            Thanks dudes
            BE well and glazed over...oiy.its Friday tomorrow, right....whewww
            A...The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!

            When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..

              I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,

            I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.

            I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you

            and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.

             

             

             

             

        2. andybuildz | Apr 08, 2005 03:01pm | #18

          http://www.bathtubdoctor.comThis company seems real good.well, at least from their site....who knows?
          Gonna call them in a bit.
          Be well
          a...The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!

          When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..

            I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,

          I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.

          I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you

          and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.

           

           

           

           

          1. alwaysoverbudget | Apr 09, 2005 08:01am | #30

            i'm not gonna tell you this is a fix all forever ,but it should hold up pretty good. take a red scuff pad and dawn dishawashing soap scrub,scrub scrub especially where any silicone caulk could have been, and rinse, take another scuf pad soak with lacquer thinner and scrub really good-wear mask. you should be pretty clean now. get some muritc acid and wash tub, if rust spot is still there get some navel jelly and clean the rust up. find a automotive paint dealer that handles ppg/ditzler paint. buy a qt of dp epoxy primer in gray, maybe a little bit of two part primer also if the rust spot is still rough. buy a qt of acyrilic urethane in white with thinner. you must wear a mask with all this stuff!!!!!! spray the dp product on and let dry 1 hour. if the rust spot is rough put a couple coats of primer on it and let it dry and sand that spot. the dp product does not need sanded.put 2-3 coats of white on and the tub should look new again.i'm not sure how long this will last for you but a car painted like this will do 8-10yrs sitting outside.don't scrub with abrasives it's just like your car now. 1 good thing ,if it looks like crap 7 yrs from now put paint stripper on it and go again. materials will cost about 125-150hand me the chainsaw, i need to trim the casing just a hair.

          2. andybuildz | Apr 09, 2005 06:02pm | #32

            excellent idea......hope FHB prints your post.
            Be well
            a...The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!

            When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..

              I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,

            I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.

            I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you

            and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.

             

             

             

             

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    intrepidcat | Apr 07, 2005 10:30pm | #3

    Buy a new one.

     

     

    "Affairs on the border cannot be judged by standards that hold elsewhere."

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    BillHartmann | Apr 07, 2005 10:55pm | #5

    A number of years ago TOH did one.

    IIRC they found an outfit that actually reglazed it. With an oven and everything.

    I may be mistake about that. But I know that it went to the companies location and they did not do it onsite.

    1. JohnSprung | Apr 08, 2005 02:37am | #10

      > A number of years ago TOH did one.

      > IIRC they found an outfit that actually reglazed it. With an oven and everything

      I remember seeing that, too.  IIRC, they sent it back to the Kholer factory, where it was stripped back to bare metal and finished the rest of the way just like a new tub.

       

      -- J.S.

       

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        PaulBinCT | Apr 08, 2005 03:10am | #11

        Andy, I may have a line on a really nice claw foot tub for you if you're interested drop me an email.  I'm in CT and it's coming out as part of a remodel I'm in the midst of.

        1. andybuildz | Apr 08, 2005 03:51am | #12

          cool..thank you.my real email is being sent......
          The one I already have here really i s OK.but just ok.
          Be well
          a...The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!

          When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..

            I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,

          I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.

          I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you

          and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.

           

           

           

           

          1. mikerooney | Apr 08, 2005 04:18am | #13

            A good tub repair could patch that rusted spot and blend it in.

             People's dreams are made out of what they do all day. The same way a dog that runs rabbits will dream of rabbits. It's what you do that makes your soul, not the other way around.     

                                            - Barbara Kingsolver

             

                                                                

             

      2. donpapenburg | Apr 08, 2005 05:02am | #14

        I saw that show . The tub was glowing red hot from the oven.  I don't think I want the guy in my house with a bunch of torches heating my tub red hot so he could reglaze it .

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        BillHartmann | Apr 08, 2005 05:44am | #15

        Well between TOH and Hometime I have seen several where they are making new tubs and toilets and the like.But this operation was different.It was a small shop where they stripped the tub. And I think that they had different feet that they could mix and match.After the tub was refinished they painted the exterior with an expoxy.

        1. JohnSprung | Apr 08, 2005 08:42pm | #22

          That's definitely a different show.  I saw the same one Don did, with the tub glowing red hot.

           

          -- J.S.

           

  4. Piffin | Apr 07, 2005 11:13pm | #7

    4800 around here. I know nothing about th eprocess except that people pay for it.

     

     

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    1. CAGIV | Apr 08, 2005 05:54am | #16

      4800 to re-glaze a tub?

      dollars?

       

      Edited 4/7/2005 10:55 pm ET by CAG

      1. Piffin | Apr 08, 2005 06:04am | #17

        musta missed my shift key$800can buy new for 2-3K 

         

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        1. andybuildz | Apr 08, 2005 03:04pm | #19

          yeh
          That number had me scratchin' my bald azz head too.....but I agree..thats what it should cost for a proper job.
          Be well bro
          a...The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!

          When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..

            I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,

          I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.

          I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you

          and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.

           

           

           

           

        2. CAGIV | Apr 08, 2005 04:00pm | #20

          makes much more sense

           

  5. BryanSayer | Apr 08, 2005 06:20pm | #21

    Everyone I know of involved in old houses feels that any form of re-glazing for a tub that gets used on a regular basis is pointless. I would add that I think exteriors can be done ok, just not interiors. If the tub is so bad off that it can't be used as is (or with a little touch up) then replace it with a new one. There are now plenty of reproductions available.

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    james | Apr 08, 2005 10:29pm | #23

    Andy,

     

    Don't do it!!! I MEAN DON'T DO IT!!!!!!

     

    I have seen quite a few " re finished " tubs and have not been impressed. Hell i scratched one just by sitting on the rim while i was coping a peice of base ( Brass rivits in my caharts), another was scratched by one of my guys keys when he was leaning over the rim to change the overflow hardware.

    I don't care what they tell you this stuff is just paint if they are going to do it at your place. Would you expect to not scratch your car if you showered on it every day?

    You can get the thing re glazed at a shop who will heat it up and re do the finish like th factory but these places are far and few between.

    I would start scouting salvagers or start talking to guys who are doing reno's. You may get one for free by just hauling it away.

     

    james

  7. DThompson | Apr 09, 2005 02:06am | #24

    My brother-in-law hauled one of those tubs off the fourth floor of the old Whitehorse Inn before it was demolished. He had it sand blasted and painted at a body shop, works fine, why not just do that?

    1. andybuildz | Apr 09, 2005 02:46am | #27

      really good ideaThe secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!

      When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..

        I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,

      I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.

      I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you

      and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.

       

       

       

       

      1. mikerooney | Apr 09, 2005 04:41am | #28

        I think about twenty years ago there was an article in an AMA Journal about yuppies getting lead poisoning from stripping those things.

         People's dreams are made out of what they do all day. The same way a dog that runs rabbits will dream of rabbits. It's what you do that makes your soul, not the other way around.     

                                        - Barbara Kingsolver

         

                                                            

         

        1. andybuildz | Apr 09, 2005 02:50pm | #31

          I'm gettin' it done by that company I sent a link to in one of the posts...I'm gonna be here maybe another four years if I live that long so......
          I'm off to get some blood tests and that pee test...Just a yearly thing....told DW that I'm not going....don't wanna know....she ripped the little hair I have of my head out and sad YOU ARE GOING ####
          Be well
          a....The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!

          When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..

            I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,

          I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.

          I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you

          and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.

           

           

           

           

  8. hasbeen | Apr 09, 2005 02:37am | #25

    Andy, glad to see you not being here anymore!

    Be not here!

    I'm thankful for the loyal opposition!  It's hard to learn much from those who simply agree with you.

    I try to be helpful without being encouraging.

    1. andybuildz | Apr 09, 2005 02:45am | #26

      what the fug..we're all addicted.
      Ba an azzhole like me
      a...The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!

      When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..

        I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,

      I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.

      I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you

      and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.

       

       

       

       

  9. McFish | Apr 09, 2005 05:45am | #29

        Local feller here charges $300 for tub, $300 for each finished surface ( ie $900 for fully refinished tub).   He uses some kind of epoxy.  Installed one in a remodel last year.  It looked very good but he cautioned its not as tough as the original enamel.   

        Once upon a time I lived in a place with a 6 foot claw tub.  Man  that was a luxury tub!  Full submersion!  I'd give my eyeteeth for one of those!

                                                                                                           Tom

     

  10. Karrl | Apr 09, 2005 11:24pm | #33

    Andy, If the porcelain isn't chipped, pitted or worn through look into rust stain removal products for the inside and just clean and paint the outside yourself. As a teenager I painted the exterior of my grandmas clawfoot tub with an oil based kelly moore paint and it still looks perfect more than 20 years later.

    I did a quick google on porcelain rust removal and came up with some interesting suggestions at this site

    http://www.stretcher.com/stories/00/000306b.cfm

    IMHO part of the appeal of old plumbing fixtures is that they don't look shiny new. I like the fact that the porcelain has a matte finish that can be scrubbed with comet with no ill effects.

    If you remove all trace of age in your fixtures what is the difference between an old house and a new one? Celebrate the minor blemishes as a testimonial to the homes history.

    I reused an old wall hung bathroom sink in my last house as a means of just getting the bathroom up and running. I had every intention of replacing it with a pedestal sink or vanity but after seeing how effective it was at anchoring the rooms historical roots I lost all interest in replacing it.

    One of the nice things about an old house is that they aren't about perfection, they are at least in a small way a historical record of its inhabitants.

    I know your house has been torn up by previous owners and most of it was a historical record better erased. If the tub really is a piece of junk then trash it but search craigslist or the nickel ads for a good used clawfoot before you buy a brand new one.

    Karl

    1. andybuildz | Apr 10, 2005 04:00am | #34

      good points........I'm gonna consider it,
      Actually thought about it before you said it but sometimes you need a bro to push you over the line.
      Thanks bro
      Be well
      a...The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!

      When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..

        I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,

      I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.

      I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you

      and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.

       

       

       

       

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