Why are red and orange such hard colors to paint? Is there some kind or color of primer that you need specifically for these colors?
Edited 3/31/2002 3:02:24 PM ET by rv
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I picked out a brick red for my Victorian and was advised by the guru at the paint store (Pittsburgh) that they had a pre-mixed color very close to the one i chose. He said the pre-mixed colors tend to hold better, so i trusted him.. Going on 12 years later with just-discernible fade, i appreciate his advice. I did a house with "Sedona Sunset" (Sherwin Williams) a few years back and had no problems with that, either, over an oil primer. Trim was marroon and chocolate---no probs 4 years later.
You need to use really good paint, which is the minor part of your outlay. Spend at least a hundred bucks for a 5 gal pail and use good rollers and brushes. You can get the primer tinted to a color that approximates your paint, so it won't show through as much. I get my primers done to a med gray, so that i can use them under whatever main and trim colors are chosen.
Read your mesaage. Thanks for the input. i agree with you on the quality paint. I always do. It's quite possible that I'm just a "little" anal retentive about my work. Thanks, rv
splinter,
My problem with Sherwin Williams was that they don't sell the bold colors in anything but high gloss (around here at least). I wanted a satin finish on my oxblood red trim, so ended up going with another brand that has a lesser reputation. Is that the case around you?
The only two brands worth using are SW and Benjamin Moore.
Excellence is its own reward!
The only two brands worth using are SW and Benjamin Moore.
AND Muralo if available in your area, IMO.
T. Jeffery Clarke
RV - You can tint your primer - use Tints All or get your local paint shop to tint the primer with appropriate color.
Quidvis Recte Factum Quamvis Humile Praeclarum
Edited 4/3/2002 11:16:32 AM ET by Jeff Clarke
Aimless,
The number and description i see on both a 1 gallon can of burgundy trim and a 5 gal bucket of a sunset orange color is Sherwin Williams A-100, Satin Exterior Latex. Bold colors, very deep and rich, and they've held their color without chalking or fading.
Sherwin Williams has a problem mixing deep red tones, and yellows as well. Red and yellow tints fade far faster than others, and I think SW has just chosen to stay away from them. You will also notice that some brands use translucent tints for deep reds, and the coverage is horrible. I think you will have better luck going with Ben Moore for the dark tones, and they have a pre-mixed red primer as well.
SW just recently (last three--four weeks), switched the main company supplying their pigments. All new color swatches, all new fan books, etc. When I asked why, they said, among other things, that the new pigments work much better for darker colors, particularly exterior. You also might want to try their superpaint. Supposedly much better (and it certainly is thicker), than the A100...our old standby.
How odd. My painter worked exclusively with SW and he was the one who told me that high gloss was all that was available. Maybe that was the case 2 yrs ago, or maybe he'd just been doing too much painting in enclosed spaces. I did use SW for the main house color, which wasn't so bold. Thanks for the info, and I'll look at them again when it comes time to paint the house again (hopefully another decade from now), but I think I'll use a different painter.
he'd just been doing too much painting in enclosed spaces
I hired a fellow to do the brick red paint job and he died a couple years later of a brain tumor, having already had one removed before i net him. He told me that brain tumors are a hazard of the painting trade. I'm real careful to wear my respirator now.
Too much A100 willdo that to you.
It smells like dragon breathe and it'll make your eyelids flutter!
Benzene is one of the real dangerous compounds in paints, some caulks, and removers. It'll eat your brain, kidneys, and liver.
Excellence is its own reward!
I used SW Duration on our house last summer, some of it in a deep orange. I could get it in whatever gloss I wanted, and they warrant the stuff to the original owner forever. Or maybe 20 years. I don't credit the warranty as being much more than the manufacturer's statement of confidence, but even at that, I'm impressed. It was expensive, $35/gal or so, but it covered in one coat. I'd have paid $50/gal for that feature! And being acrylic, the amount of vocs was probably minimal. Andy Engel, Forum moderator
So in twenty years or so you'll be what, seventy years old as you climb that ladder again? Now there's a picture to visualize!
Excellence is its own reward!
Piffin
Are you suggestion that one should use 3 year paint. That way they keep in shape and remember where the brushes are <G>.
Grin, grin, and double grin!Excellence is its own reward!
Hey! Only 60. And then I'm hoping my kids will be loyal enough to at least paint the high parts for their old man.Andy Engel, Forum moderator
Ditto SG's advice. Use a good paint brush such as a Purdy; the feathered bristle tips will help eliminate streaks where the primer shows through.
Edited 3/31/2002 10:00:50 PM ET by jc
jc, always use Purdy. Like I told SG, I'm probably a "little" anal retentive about my work. Always looking for a way to make it better. thanks for the reply. Keep the paint off the floor. rv