Gentlemen; I am looking for a quality brand name vinyl siding. Would you guys care to recommend any? This is to replace my hardboard siding on a raised ranch. A friend recommended Mastic brand, but thought I could not purchase it . Only contractors can buy it in this area. Thanks
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There is no "Quality" vinyl siding. Never existed and never will.
The Morphine s eems to do no good at all..I'd run all the way if I would not fall...
Army intelligence.
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Oh yes there is. In fact, there are several very good brands of "quality" VINYL siding
and your point is? Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
The Morphine s eems to do no good at all..I'd run all the way if I would not fall...
The point is simply there IS quality Vinyl siding available. Contrary to your ludicrous statement.
Sure there is. I also know that it is subjective to your measure of "quality" ...color fade, algae, cracking in cold, buckling in heat, just name a few quality attributes of this wonderful stuff.
You can have it Hube. Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
The Morphine s eems to do no good at all..I'd run all the way if I would not fall...
Sphere----I am no fan of vinyl siding--------but " quality" is a relative term.
vinyl is what it is
Ya know---SLATE is supposed to be a "quality" roofing product---- yet I have seen some I wouldn't put on a dog house------------
stephen
I, personally have vinyl siding and along with at least a few hundred thousand other satisfied homeowners that have had it installed,there are no problems whatsoever.
must be of some "good quality", eh?
Can you see behind it?
I didn't think so.
You and your "few hundred thousand" will be calling someone to fix something sooner or later. Been there. Hung that. Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
The Morphine s eems to do no good at all..I'd run all the way if I would not fall...
What do you mean? "can you see behind it?"
If you are refering to unseen damage like Rot,mould,mildue do to
moisture problems I would have to say the problem is the way its installed. Of course every wall system ever divised suffers from this
problem. Its not the product but the guy thats installing it.
Shhere, Your post seems to imply that you dont think your installed product is going to last. When I install siding I look over the
entire job to be sure moisture wont be a problem starting from the begining of the job. Look at the whole structure other then just the wall being covered.
Roof overhangs,gutters,downspouts,shingles,j-chanel etc.
Robert Teed
Dream Builders
Are you related to "Certain" Teed?
Cut me a break, show me proof that vinyl won't sweat or condensate or color fade, or degrade due to UV in any fashion.
Vinyl is NOT finyl, unless ya finally replace it.
I hung about 200 homes ( I am sorry, I was young) and they all exhibit failure due to material, not install techniques.
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
The Morphine s eems to do no good at all..I'd run all the way if I would not fall...
Hey ,Robteed. Maybe we could share some knowledge with Sphere and give him some pointers on properly installing 'quality' vinyl.
on second thought forget it, as it appears he's not into learning any 'new' techniques.
Sure vinyl will fade, but paint will peel. If im worried about my vinyl
fading I suppose I could just replace it in a few years, What? maybe
25-30. Heck, by then I will be old enuff not to worry about it. In the meantime while my neighbors painting his house im going FISHING. I got enuff time I might even take up Golf! I love low maintaince!
And just why do you think paint "will peel"? Applied with proper care and proper conditions ( I.E. PREP)...paint WON'T peel.
A proven ( hundreds of yrs) protectorant.
What has vinyl got? 60 in constant use..max?
I am not advocating paint, nor any alternative to vinyl. Basically, I am NOT encourageing it's so called "benefits" and can't endorse its so called quality.
We all choose our poison, what we DO with the results is also our pennance..have at it.
chlorox...forsale..3.00$ a gallon . Act now it is going fast. Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
The Morphine s eems to do no good at all..I'd run all the way if I would not fall...
Gee, they better hurry up and call.
It's been about 26 years since some have had it installed.
Btw, we have had a few occasions to "look" behind it and our construction methods are still 'perfect'.....no problem
install it right....keep the 'quality' in sight.
Hube,
Enlighten me some...you refer to "we" and coorelate that into the the thread of siding.
Now if you would be so kind to supply some info as to your expertise ( in the profile) I MIGHT be amicable to a discussion about the merits or flaws of the subject.
Being as you choose to remain an anonymous poster (child) of our consortium, and your locale and gathered yrs. of exp. is not expressed concisely..I can only think that your opines are purely a figment of your own imagination.
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
The Morphine s eems to do no good at all..I'd run all the way if I would not fall...
Just because some posters (me included) wish to not give any profile is entirely their (my) choice.
Even some profiles that are given have certain flaws as to experience,etc.
Take yours for example
come to think of it, your profile actually divulges absolutely nothing,the same as mine does. So whats your itch, mitch?
I've hanged more siding than you could shake a stick at. I started out as a siding installer many moons ago and it is perfectly fine stuff for many applications. Would I put it on a century hoime?... no. On an affordable new home?... yes.
So, to answer the question, I would say that Alside is the best brand going. I can show you jobs that I've installed 15 years ago and siding looks virtually new yet. No cracking, fading, drying out..... I swear by Alside if it's vinyl siding you're looking for.
http://www.peteforgovernor.com
Ya know? yer a phisher and I bit. Mea culpea.
My profile says exactly what I INTENED it to show..my location, gender and age and maybe some other impertinant info as to who I currently am ( ya see Hube, we can be more than meets the eyes).
Keep moving, a steady target is just that.
While I enjoy the repoiretiare ( you know) I find your diatribe and controversial attitude as being adversarial..you seem to exuude it.
Might I ask why?
Differing opines of vinyl siding does not make enimies, attitude will get you on the short list.
Pick your road, a nice country gentlemans ride, or a fast gait to the end..eitherway, I win. Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
The Morphine s eems to do no good at all..I'd run all the way if I would not fall...
And being in sync with your pernactious attribute of replying redundantly..I Shall follow suit.
I'd like to know more about your history..are you a tradesman or just an old geezer ( sorry UDunc) whiling away the hours with your witticism and sarcasm as your mistress?
Is it perfunctory to attempt a vehement or riolous response from a person with years of experiance in the field?
Because that is what you are getting..you plant the seed, you reap.
I rarely have an inkling of intent, nor the time to want someone to exit my reality as much as I do you...I guess I was wrong, you have won the obnoxius award.
edit for: the hell ov it
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
The Morphine s eems to do no good at all..I'd run all the way if I would not fall...
Edited 6/5/2005 12:03 pm ET by SPHERE
I'll give you a slight hint. Ihave quite a few more total years experience in various trade fields than you have been alive.
Just an old 'geezer with a lot of experience. lol
Thank you and well recieved.
peace my man..i am able to respect the is- dom of my elders, but I will question thier perspectives.
We are unique, just like evry one else.
Are you a Leo, Scorpio or Capp..by any chance? and If you succumb to heavy Virgo planetary influences, we'll never agree on anything..forewarned is foearmd... Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
The Morphine s eems to do no good at all..I'd run all the way if I would not fall...
Well heres a problem.
UV makes vinyl siding leach its lead. After some chalking the lead comes out of the material and contaminates. Same deal with vinyl windows.
It will be one of the EPAs next products. Here in Maine, painting and remodeling contractors are getting fined who are not working lead safe when it comes to paint, and Ill bet vinyl isnt far behind.
Oh and the fact that it makes a house look trashy, and conceals quality molding that was put there to look good.
-zen
Pssst....perhaps the threads originator might benefit from your opinions.
IMERC feels otherwise.
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Psst, then to benefit, all he has to do is read them.
Very simple, eh?
Simple......if you had offered them. Less so, when the threads originator is left to read your mind.
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Wolverine has a good lineup of products.
Gene Davis, Davis Housewrights, Inc., Lake Placid, NY
Take a look at Certainteed also, which I think is part of the same company that makes Wolverine.
Mike
It's O.k. to think out of the box, Just don't walk off of the plank!
Mike S. ,Ima, thanks for the help. Maybe quality is not the right word but my understanding is that some are better than others. I would like to take off the peeling hardboard siding and replace with a reasonable siding at a reasonable cost . I would like to sell the house in a few years and really dont want to go to the expense of Hardie siding etc.
Go to Wolverine's site and download their specs, which give thickness of the vinyl.
As I recall, all of Wolverine's premium items have a wall thickness of .044"
Compare that to others. You will want to get the heaviest wall thickness you can, for the siding to be "quality" vinyl.
Consider doing your trim schemes in ways that conceal the j-trim, so the job looks less like vinyl and more like wood. Wolverine makes a lot of door and window trim that looks great.Gene Davis, Davis Housewrights, Inc., Lake Placid, NY
My vinyl installer swears by the Alcoa line of products, and he has used them not only on several thousands of builder homes as well as several of my jobs. IMHO, the quality of the installation is equally, if not more important than the particular product. Having siad that, I would stay away from the Georgia Pacific stuff you see at HD and Lowe's. Check out the Vinyl Siding Institute's website; they have a wealth of information on installation and manufacturers' product lines. I wanna say it's vsi.com or vsi.org.Jason Pharez Construction
Framing & Exterior Remodeling
Mastic is an Alcoa product line.
You can get it in at least 2 different varieties-----Brentwood "standard" and Carvedwood which is a heavier weight heavier texture.
I am supposed to be using it on a job right now( carved wood)----I will let you know what i think once it arrives.
Stephen
We used "Monogram series" from "Certinteed" on our house. I have installed alot of siding over the last 25years. I have to say this stuff
I put on my house is the best I have ever seen.
The number one problem with siding (IMHO) seems to be poping off the
lock. This product takes care of it. After I installed it I had to
remove a peice and couldnt get it locked, That system really works.
They also have it in 16'8" lengths.
http://www.certainteed.com/CertainTeed/Pro/Contractor/Siding/Prodindex/Vinyl/CertainTeed/Monogram%E2%84%A2+46L.htm
Check it out.
Robteed
Dream Builders
This is a link to a pic of my house.
http://forums.taunton.com/n/mb/at.asp?webtag=tp-breaktime&guid=7312298B-01A0-4BA3-84D2-A09A40B3AC35&frames=no
Edited 6/4/2005 5:24 pm ET by robteed
Hey, very good, maybe even Sphere will check this out.
Ok, I'll bit on this one. I have it on my house and I regret it, but due to physical injuries and timing, Hardy was out of the question. But, I used the Wolverine Millenium double 4"(.044) and I used stainless steel fastners. I also used 30lb felt with alot of water and Ice type sealling. Also alot of extra J molding around windows. The windows had the jmolding extrusion built iinto the frames. Also alot of Quaid urethane adhesive. I was told that this siding was rated to 185mph. A few months ago, we had a heavy rain storm with 60-80mph stong winds. Next morning, I peeled back a few pieces and the paper was dry. great thing about this type is that there is a flexible nailing hem that allows you to tightly nail it to the studs/sheeting and the panels can still expand/contract. That's not the same for the trim material. You still need to loosely nail/staple the trim pieces for expansion/contraction.
As perviously stated, it all depends on your water proofing/flashing techniques
To have spent the extra time/ money on Hardy along with painting was more than my body could handle. I put it in myself, now I will live with it. Seems that vinyl and hardi plank are around 50/50 usage in this area.
The line of Alcoa my guy uses is "Mill Creek"--I think it's just an average/builder quality product but I have never seen serious problems with it, nor did I see any failures of the installation after Hurricane Ivan struck. That's why I originally stated that quality of installation is very important.
Of course I should add that the protective wrap under the vinyl should be installed and lapped correctly, as well.Jason Pharez Construction
Framing & Exterior Remodeling
Crane siding, specifically their Craneboard is very nice stuff. Insulated backing, wide profiles, excellent trim options, spendy but worth every penny.