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   calvin | Jun 23, 2006 05:58am | #1

   View Image  Check out Grace Vicor.  A Ice and Water shield type product now used for window flashing and corrosion protection / galv. hangers.

   A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.

   Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.

   Quittin' Time

    

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   DougU | Jun 23, 2006 06:24am | #2

   Calvin

   What do you use for nails in that application? I assume galvanized wouldnt be good?

   I saw Tommy Silva use something like that on TOH but I wasnt paying enough attention to the nails.

   Doug

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   calvin | Jun 24, 2006 01:36pm | #6

   Doug.  ICQ producers recommend Stainless or Hot Dipped Galv. as fasteners. Simpson leans towards SS with their SS hangers. 

   Fine kettle of fish they've gotten us into.

   The Z-max hangers are an alternative.  Simpson requires use of Hot dipped galv.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.

   Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.

   Quittin' Time

    

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   DougU | Jun 24, 2006 04:55pm | #15

   Thanks Calvin

   I rarely do anything regarding outdoors stuff, and I intend to keep it that way, so some of this is just Greek to me(sorry Dino)!

   I built a porch on a house of mine up in Iowa about 15 years ago, didn't want to use treated(don't ask, my reason is more stupid then I care to share with this crowd) so I used typical dimension lumber and primed it with oil base primer and now its all gone to crap on me.

   I intend to redo it but only this once!

   Doug

   Edited 6/24/2006 9:58 am ET by DougU

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   curley | Jun 24, 2006 05:38am | #3

   Thats exactly what I was thinking. Bitimus window tape comes in the right width. But looking at the picture, don't you need a piece of bitimus where the joist hanger comes in contact with the rim joist???

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   DougU | Jun 24, 2006 07:59am | #5

   curley

   What kind of nails would you use if you did it the way the picture shows?

   Should I assume SS? I haven't used any of the new treated wood and I don't do this kind of work very often so it's all foreign to me.

   I have a porch to rebuild and am trying to get a little info regarding this stuff. 

   I already screwed up the first building of this porch about 15 years ago so I feel the need to do it right this time!

   Doug

   Edited 6/24/2006 1:04 am ET by DougU

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   dieselpig | Jun 24, 2006 01:38pm | #7

   Doug,

   Maybe you already know this, but you should never mix SS nails with galvy hardware or vice-versa.  Keep like metals together.  So if the picture shows a HD galvy hanger, I'd use a hot dipped galvy nail.View Image

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   DougU | Jun 24, 2006 04:56pm | #16

   Diesel

   I knew that you shouldn't mix copper and galv water pipe but really didn't know that SS and galv was not recommended.

   Thanks

   Edited 6/24/2006 9:58 am ET by DougU

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   calvin | Jun 24, 2006 01:42pm | #8

   Curley, there's a strip of vicor behind the hanger.  This is a case of spending the time and applying the vicor, or buying the ss and having at it.  I've not built a deck since the transition from cca and am thinking the hell with it.

   If you could direct your questions to Prodek who's not around too often anymore, or perhaps Joe Wood who does some fine deck work you might gain some useful information.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.

   Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.

   Quittin' Time

    

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   ovolo | Jun 24, 2006 03:53pm | #14

   I use the zmax joist hangers. a little segway here...but I posted a long winded question yesterday about earth against the pt frameing for a deck framed in 2x12" s. Does anyone have any suggestions? DO you think I could just plaster the outer rim joists with the Vicor Plus...? and let the earth sit agains it. and trim with Ipe skirt board above that?http://www.notsobigbuildingcompany.com

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   NickNukeEm | Jun 24, 2006 06:11am | #4

   I price in the SS joist hangers and the SS nails (1.5" and 3") to hang them with.  I let the client know that's how I build decks, and SS is more expensive.  Then I show them some pictures of the rotted and broken hangers I've replaced, and there is no argument.  A few extra bucks now for the hardware will more than pay for itself in the future.

   As far as wrapping the ends before attaching the hangers, it sounds like a good idea, but an added step, and the Vycore isn't cheap either.  Add up the additional material and labor, and I think the peace of mind of stainless is the way to go.  Just my .02.

    

   "I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul."  Invictus, by Henley.

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   dustinf | Jun 24, 2006 02:30pm | #9

   I price in the SS joist hangers and the SS nails (1.5" and 3") to hang them with.  I let the client know that's how I build decks, and SS is more expensive.

   I do the same. 

   I like to sleep at night. 

   I'm gonna break my
   I'm gonna break my rusty cage and run

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   dieselpig | Jun 24, 2006 02:43pm | #10

   I'm curious why it is that some of you guys don't trust the Simpson Z-Max products?  Aren't they manufactured specifically for use with ACQ lumber?  I'm just getting a vibe of "hardware snobbery".... lol.  I'm just kidding, but I consider myself to be a reputable builder/carpenter/whatever and I use the Simpson Z-max products with good quality name brand double hot dipped galvy nails.   Should I not be sleeping with such a clear concience? 

   Don't get me wrong, good on you guys for springing for the SS stuff.  I wouldn't think twice about it in a coastal or extreme weather environment but I consider Simpson to be one of the most recognized and trustworthy names in building materials. 

   Maybe the real problem is that, as a framing sub, I rarely supply or choose the materials I get to work with, so I often am left to just do the best job I can with the materials provided.

   Ain't ACQ just great?  Leave it to the EPA to completely botch something as straight forward as building a deck.View Image

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   dustinf | Jun 24, 2006 02:54pm | #11

   I'm just getting a vibe of "hardware snobbery"

   lol.  You may be on to something there.

   For me the stainless steel is an easy sell, so I haven't really had a reason not to use it.  Also, it's been a useful tool to "qualify" my customers.  People looking for bargain basement prices always baulk at the cost.  Customers who are looking for quality baulk at first, but they understand the reasoning.

   I use Z-max also, but usually only when I miss something on my fastener order.  I haven't had any probems with it. 

   ACQ is so new I'm going for a belt and suspenders.  I'm gonna break my I'm gonna break my rusty cage and run

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   dieselpig | Jun 24, 2006 02:58pm | #12

   I think I follow.  So you're not saying, specifically, that Z-max hardware is useless (and cause to lose sleep over), you're just saying that you think the SS is a better product and since it seems to be an easy sell for you, why not use the better of the two?

   Am I following you?View Image

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   dustinf | Jun 24, 2006 02:59pm | #13

   You got it.I'm gonna break my I'm gonna break my rusty cage and run