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Structural Engineering steel beam

aventino68 | Posted in Construction Techniques on November 26, 2022 05:34am

Have our 36ft x 50 ft roof extending out a further 12 ft off the front of our 1:12 flat roof cottage build. So I need an I beam 50ft long that will be supported by poles at each end to support the roof and the wood I Joists making up the roof construction. I would have thought there were simple tables utilising snow loads for our area (Napanee Ontario) and spans that would make this not an over complicated job for a structural engineer. Can any engineers tell me if this a complicated design problem? 

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    unclemike42 | Nov 26, 2022 07:27am | #1

    Yes. No.

    But you might get better results if you let the engineer suggest structural solutions.

  2. mgmahan | Nov 26, 2022 10:48am | #2

    Why not trusses and no beam at all?

    1. aventino68 | Nov 26, 2022 08:17pm | #3

      That would be a 12 ft cantilever if there was no beam and posts holding it up. I'm basically replacing a wall with a beam and posts at each end. I looked at cantilever but with the snow loads in my area, the size of the roof structure possibly required and the complexity of the calculations required for a cantilever I decided it was too difficult. The design is basically like the photo which ironically came from a steel tables pdf I found online.

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    unclemike42 | Nov 27, 2022 08:36am | #4

    Is there a driver for a flat roof?

    that being said, any steel place should be able to help with your calculations.

    There are calculators online as well.

    https://webstructural.com/beam-designer.html for example.

    Tables for design loads are available. (need to verify these are current and apply to your jurisdiction.)

    http://fore-engineering.ca/includes/SCAN0003.pdf

    Play a little and you likely will see that trying to get a single 50 foot span will be a challenge. the photo you posted looks to be less than half of that distance.

    This is just a thought process, and you really need the advice of an engineer.

  4. rww0002 | Nov 28, 2022 09:36am | #5

    I agree with the above that you need to get an engineer involved before you get too far down the line. For a 50' span carrying snow load you may be in the range of at a 24" to 27" deep steel beam. Total weight of the beam will likely be over 4,000# and columns, footings, lateral bracing, and connection details of this beam will need to be carefully thought out and planned.

    The links unclemike42 gave you might be a good starting place for planning purposes, but a 50' span beam with both high snow load and wind uplift loads and potentially very little room for bottom flange lateral bracing is definitely not a DIY kind of job.

    You also should consider beam erection and logistics. Getting a 50' long 4500# piece of steel into place in an existing structure is no joke.

    If this were me I would be seriously considering finding somewhere to put some interior columns to break up this span a bit.

    Good luck with the project.

  5. MirandaOsborne | Nov 29, 2022 03:14am | #6

    Please share the final result later)))

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    ct_yankee | Mar 18, 2024 02:42pm | #7

    This is not a simple Span Table resolution. There's much more to it.
    Engage a structural engineer to determine the best solution for the structure as a whole.

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