Well, been a long time coming, but, I made it back out to Frenchy’s last weekend. First time actually meeting the man. Pictures I posted last fall were taken with no homeowner around. Got the full tour this time around – homeowner was there. Nice guy, for a wood loving wacko. Still got lots of big timbers laying around that place, but a lot more of them are out of piles and stuck together to form a building.
Well, I know you’re all waiting, so……………I will try to post a few new pictures I took last Sunday.
– Can’t seem to get anything to upload right now – don’t have any more time to waste, will try to post picture later when I get some time
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Shoeman
For God sakes, we expect Frenchy to not post pics but dont tease like that, get the pictures posted already!
Doug
Hope this works. Photoshop is freezing up on me everytime I open it. Had to try to scan using some little utilitie program that came with scanner way back when.
here goes nothing, well something I hope
well it's there, don't know why all the black space. Not really computer literate and as I stated ...... the program I am used to using is not working
anyone should feel free to crop size re-post
Looks like you got a ride on one of his toys, and he is the whacko? ;-)
Anyhow, here it is cropped and squeezed a bit.
riding a forklift is about as dangerous and exciting as riding an elevator. The sole differance is I'm driving the elevator,,, now come to think of it, that does question Shoemans sanity a bit! ;-)
I thought he had the roof all finished.
You could go to the photo galley and find the link to Irfanview for an easy, free photo management program.
Excellence is its own reward!
Ah the fine art of collage.
I will try that this evening or sometime tomorrow and post a few more pics if it works out for me.
Thanks for the tip,
Shoe
Man, That is one steep roof. Won't be much moss growing on that. Good luck to the roofer.
Be sure and throw a rope over the roof and tie it to a car door. That way you'll be sure to know when the wife takes off for the grocery store. :-)Bob
"Rather be a hammer than a nail"
Frenchy is the roofer. I think he sends his wife shopping before he climbs up there.
;).
Excellence is its own reward!
Piffin
probably waiting for an old roofer such as yourself to come along and do the roof, I dont know anything about roofs otherwise I would be glad to help you, sorry.
Doug
Actually I let the wife run the forklift for me when I do the roofing. she took four years to get her drivers licence and 4 minutes to figure out how to run the forklift..
pull the lever back the boom goes up.. push it down and the boom goes down, push the leversideways away from you and the boom extends, pull it sideways towards you and it retracts..
that's the ignition key..
Piffin,
what does slate cost near you? the one price I was quoted was $600 to $1,000 per sq. and no that did not include install
Sorry, I've been sick and working too much to be here.
The slate I laid was in Colorado and it was trucked in from PA. I think the slate was close to a grand and the shipping and unloading was not far from six bills..
Excellence is its own reward!
wonderin where you been, feelin better?Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark, Professional build the Titanic.
you can see the equipment that I'll be using to shingle that roof.. in the first picture shoeman has a portion of the work platform under his feet..
should be a breeze. shingles will be right at my side and all I'll have to do is lean over and nail in place.. no humping shingles, nice wide 4'x12' platform to work off of so all the nailing will be at waist to shoulder height. no bending over or getting on my knees..
Well that should work pretty slick. You should be done this weekend with that cool toy. Careful not to knock your dormers off with that thing. :-)
Bob
"Rather be a hammer than a nail"
Hey Frenchy, Why not look int the concrete roof tile ? There are several mfg. I think that there is one in your area . I got them on my house and garage. Realy like them ,and the plant is only 15 miles away from my house. I got grey colored tiles ,look like thick slates to most people.The cost was about twice the cost of premium assfault.
Don
I gave some serious thought to them, but the plant that makes 'em here is hundreds of miles away, and the price I was quoted delivered wasn't far from slate..
that plus they take about ten times the amount of time to install (at least every installation I've seen done)..
Frenchy ,
give ABC a call they are inRoscoe Ill. Right on the northern border west of Rockford. Can't hurt some times these companies will sell at a better price to customers farther than some one across the street. I thought at the time i ordered mine they quoted me 140 .oo a square . I had been quoted 70.oo picked up at the factory . but they decided that they would only sell through dealers when I got ready to buy . I told Brent at ABC what I was quoted and he said he would deliver them to me for 79.oo a square.
They do take longer to install but most of that time is spent loading the roof . The way that you plan to put your roofing on will save you 6x so that the time will be only 4x of the disposable roofing.
A house like yours needs a lifetime roof . Look at all the money you saved just on lumber ! Go on splurge a little
here is there no 815 637 6977 1800 859 7101 ? I am not sure on the 800 no, but they were the only no, on the page with only ABCs info .
I'll do that but my best guess is that I'll need about 50 sq. to do this.. maybe 55..
Yet I do like the idea... Hmmm!
roof finished to me meant that I could no longer see sky when I looked up! considering I could do that well into November of last year, I felt a level of celebration was called for..
what you need to reliaze is that the portion shown is only about 1/3 of the house when it will be finished.. the other 2/3rds have yet to be started..
I'll probably be doing the finish stuff this summer and interior stuff this winter.. which means I won't start on the middle third untill next summer at the earliest..
oooh - oooh - - I see the rock hanging under the eaves - -
I would think a cottage of this style should have a slate roof <G,D&R>
David,
The thought of a slate hanging by a couple of nails just waiting for gravity to win, would keep me awake at night <G>
actually I choked at the thought of paying for the slate...
the black stuff you see is ice and water shield, not roofing! I suppose I'll use some archectial shingle.
David,
the rock is going on the west wing today, (at least the part under the eves) and then I'll build the overhangs on the west wing..
Hey david,
what does slate cost near you? the only price I've been quoted is between $600 to $1,000 a square depending on what color I want.. (that does not include install)
the one house that I've seen with slate cost 1.2 million just for the roof.. (19,000 sq.ft.)
frenchy, the only source of slate around here would be salvage off of barns, and the price would most likely be free, you go get it - - very little building of that caliber going on around here - good luck, have a productive warm seasons work (what is that, about 2 weeks?) -
Ha! shows you how little you know, during good years we sometimes get 4 weeks free of snow! (or hard sleddin' ) of course that's when the state bird ( misquito) has been known to carry children and small pets off to feed on . I'm safe though since I gained weight....it takes at least three to carry me!
Shoeman
Thanks a lot, finally some pics.
Doug
try another one here
gone from oversized to undersized - better go try downloading that program Pif told me about in a previous post - hope it is not just for manipulating the pic once it is scanned. I need the program that gets the pic from my scanner
computerally challenged,
Shoe
try another shot that I did with the Irfanview program
back to the drawing board - need to work on sizing - duh
that is all the time I have this morning though
so..........more later
Shoeman, saving them as BMP files is making them huge files with not much picture. JPG will get the same pic at about 10% of the bits.
Joe H
Joe,
cool that one shows the copper drip edge I'm so proud of.. for some reason when I got to that point I was really tickled...
I spent most of the afternoon with Shoeman taking pictures/ bullshipping and didn't get much else done and still I felt really great about the weekend.
Frenchy, did you ever find some ridge cap to suit? At less than $1000 an inch or whatever that stuff costs?
Joe H
Yeh, just had a sheet metal shop bend some for me out of that thick copper I bought. (just for info, it's a seventy degree bend for the great room and a fifty degree bend for the west wing..
the bummer part is that copper is so thick that you can't drive a nail tru it, you need to pre drill each hole!
now all I need to do is figure out what to do at the corners.. may settle for a copper ball but I did see a cast copper gargole that I thought would be cool..
"...copper gargoyle..."
How about a gnome? :-)
well maybe knome but never a gnome!!
well, no telling what size this will be, but, it should be a picture of the inside - looking from the bar area into the great room - If I remember right, there will be a fireplace going between the two windows
sure Frenchy will correct me if I am wrong
I'm not Frenchy, but something's wrong.
Joe H
this should have been posted in post 37
I want to see a picture of Frenchy!
(I picture him as the wiry, agile sort to take on a project like that!)
I'm 54 years old (less than two months away from 55) and 100 pounds over wieght. actually ugly knome is a much more accurite description
Notchman, if you look in the lower right hand corner of this shot you might see Frenchy sitting on a beam
another shot in the great room - pretty dark, but tried to show dormers from inside
think I might be getting the hang of posting pics
It's a worthy and righteous habit to get into.
Some of those crossed timbers are almost holy. Good proportions and an awsome undertaking for a single man..
Excellence is its own reward!
Good proportions and an awsome undertaking for a single man.
Whats amazing is that Frenchy isn't single - managed to stay married through this - suppose he had to be extra nice to keep his forklift operator around -
He can do a lot of things, but I don't think Frenchy can be in the cab and on the platform at the same time
In a pinch what I do is raise the platform to where I need it and either climb out a window onto it or use the ladder and climb up on it.. I hate it when I drop stuff though!!
But you are correct my wife is a saint (and very heavily medicated) and she cooks too! much better than I deserve..
you think those crossed timbers look holy - check them out from this angle with the window in the background
If I remember correctly - this is a shot from the great room looking up to the loft bar area - once that bar is in, I do believe I will have to stop by for a tall holy water, in a dirty glass
Shoeman,
Two points.
those steps are just temporary. when the other stairs are built those will be removed and the "bridge" won't have anything going up it.. that way the kitchen in the background will have a cear view of the great room..
the gothic arch window will be framed better once I finish sawing out the buttress braces that will somewhat follow the arch of the window from the sissor trusses down to the vertical posts.. framing the window. That is each scissor truss will get a buttress brace..
some of you might be wondering about that picture of the bandsaw under the windows.. That's how I cut buttress braces out. I use the converors to roll timbers into the bandsaw and then all I need to do is guide them..
those conveyors have proven invaluable I use them on the infeed/outfeed side of every power tool I've got, the planer, the jointer and the bandsaw.. If I ever get the table saw hooked up I'll use them there too!
They sit on some black walnut saw horses that is the first thing I made when I started this project .. (don't you have saw horses made out of 4x4's?)
House looks killer.
I'm sure you've answered before, but how long you been working on this home?Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark, Professional build the Titanic.
Long story,
the ideas started as a kid, I dreamt of it for decades, I bought most of the wood in Febuary of 1999 and got the permit a year and a half later.. (that's a longer story)
I started digging the foundation abut labor day a year and a half ago... a month into it I had a severe back problem that kept me bedridden and drugged into drulling stupor for over a month...
every weekend and a couple of evenings a week is all the time I have in it.. (oh, and I did take two weeks off this spring)
I've stopped working before 10 in the morning or after 7 in the evening on the weekends the complaints from neighbors just ain't worth it..
if someone has a calculator handy I'd like to know how many hours that works out to be..
assuming
12 hours a week during the week, plus 18 hours on the weekends for a year and a half minus the two weeks 2280, but I have a feeling that may be on the low side.
I can understand the after 7 at night, but I'd say screw um and start at 7:30-8 on the weekends. Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark, Professional build the Titanic.
the ibuprofen doesn't let an old man like me start movin untill after 9; evan if I take it at seven.. I've found the best method is take it about 6 when I wake up, and then again four hours later and get at it.. stopping for a late lunch can stiffin me up enough to require another dose to get moving followed by a hot bath at night when I quit..
I tried a glass or two of wine to ease me to sleep but all it did was give me a hangover in the morning and work suffered as much as I did.
Hmmm 2280 hours, doesn't sound all that hard..
Frenchy...nothing think standing inside your childhood dream, eh??
Looking GREAT.
And now I have another good excuse for those extra 50 pounds I carry...so the skeeters can't carry me away...or the black flies...nor the wind. LOL
Your trusses look wonderful...and doesn't seem like you have to worry about carrying the slate roof loads...
what I can't understand is are slates made of gold? $600 to $1000 a sq. for slate? three tab shingles are about $35 a square arch. shingles start at $45 a sq. and evan the real high end ones cost less than a hundred a square..
when you need about 55 sq that's $55,000 for just the slate! Kinda expensive roof...
If you wanted to lay slate down on a patio...it'd cost some $3-$4 per sq. foot or so for materials maybe?? That about right? So for roof shingles...they are thinner I think...but that also means more cutting time and what not.
I don't know....in my mind's eye, I just look at where slate is used...and typically this seems to be in places where money doesn't matter. Either in extremely high end homes, historical settings, industrial/commercial/etc. I can only guess the market is sufficient to support the price.
At Cornell, many of the builds are slate...they are GOREGEOUS. Stone buildings...slate roofs...absolutely wonderful. Just don't turn your head and look at the steel girder building and stucco crap...OUCH...took me awhile to get used to this campus.
Frenchy....looks really beautiful. Nothing compares to standing inside something you have built yourself.
Thank you that's very kind.. As for slate, well maybe I can do concrete tiles then.. Don suggested it and It's a consideration except the places around here with cement tiles seem to take forever to do.. I rented a telescopic forklift to one contractor who budgeted for a month with a crew of 6. it took him three.In the end he went to Texas and hired a couple of guys who'd been doing it for years and knew the short cuts.. . he felt lucky to get out of the deal with anything left at all. Since it was the house of a local politician with a lot of pull, he didn't dare quit or try to cut his losses. shingles seem like a come-down with that roof to work with.. I thought about shakes but then there doesn't seem to be any old growth shakes around any more and the new stuff isn't anywhere near as long lasting.. Some dealers are claiming less than 20 years. is about all I should expect which puts me back up on the roof at age 74..
I'm really about 1/2 way finished with the first third.. all of the interior trim, hardwood floors, railings etc.. will need doing this winter plus lighting etc.. next year I expect to start the middle third..
I've got some thoughts about the lakeside third that should be stunning..
Hopefully all of this will be done prior to my retirement...
Aloha Frencht one; Now that I have finally seen some pictures, you have exceeded my imagination. That is starting to look like one reallly niccce place you are playing with. I am not a roofer, although have done a few simple asphalt shingle roofs, but I think you better do something that such a home deserves. Slate, cement tiles, or do we dare mention COPPER. All expensive, but long lasting such as the rest of your building. No time to let that boss of yours start talking budget. Just think of the labor charges you have saved. FINE HOME BUILDING must be from foundation to ridgecap. Sure am jealous, looking great.
DAN
Frenchy & shoe,
Great stuff!!!
With a great room like that we will have to start calling you Father Francis!!
See if you can get Armin or Stan Foster to build you a pulpit and some pews.
You give the term "Labor intensive" new meaning!
Nice job on the Outbuilding too!!
is that where smartass breaktimers get to stay?Mr T
Do not try this at home!
I am an Experienced Professional!
If they stay they work!
here hold this end for me will you? He He !!!
You know I bought a new digital camera and still can't get it to work.. so once again I've gotta thank Shoeman for taking pictures and postin them for me..
I'm hoping to take some pictures of the apple trees in full bloom with the house in the background.. don't know if I'll be able to get it working before the petals all fall off.
I will use copper,
In fact I bought some copper sheets that are just about three times the normal thickness for only $20.00 each (3'x8') and had them bent up for valley flashing and ridge cap..
Slate is out.. there isn't $55,000 in the budget and cement tiles are looking dubious, (I'll try a couple of other places today) material costs would be over $20,000 which isn't in the budget either..
Great score on the copper sheets, where did you get them?
I'm on the copper learning curve now, looking at some videos and .dwg files from the Copper Development Association. There are interesting things to do with expansion when you go copper.
-- J.S.
At a local scrap metal dealer.. I remember them being there from at least a decade ago. They were stored near the top in the stainless steel section.. the only copper they had..
I know what you mean by expansion of copper so I'll put the copper nails (yes I know about electrolis) along the edge but not in the copper (except at the top)
The CDA rule of thumb is that anything over about 10 ft. is subject to expansion issues. A change of 100 degrees F over 10 ft. yields about 1/8" of movement.
Standing seams are made with about 1/16" gap between the pans at the bottom, which is plenty for expansion. The pans are held down by cleats which you can make on-site out of the same material as the roof, either one piece fixed cleats or two part expansion cleats. The cleats go in the seams on 12" centers. On really long runs, they recommend using four fixed cleats near the middle, and expansion cleats above and below. Red rosin paper, called "slip sheet", is put between the copper and whatever you have under it.
-- J.S.
John, that's great information. I was gonna use 30# felt under the copper and over the ice and water shield (because it has grit in it and I was thinking that expansion and contraction would eventually wear out the copper).
I hadn't thought of using rosin paper. thanks for the tip!
If your thinking about roofing. What about corrugated iron?
My house and thousands of others here has it. Mine has been on over 30 years, no paint, and is still in excellent order. way cheaper than lots of other options and doesnt have a weight issue. Strong too.
Oh, damn fine house Frenchy. You have done first rate work. My hat off to you mate.
Wood Hoon
Cor-ten?.
Excellence is its own reward!
Corragated Just isn't used much here in Minnesota. Done properly it would probably be more expensive than anything except slate..
I'm not worried about weight since according to my calculations the walls are good for over 20,000 pounds per liner foot. and the roof should easily handle slate or whatever.. I doubt there is a stronger roof used in residencial homes.. (don't know how I'd prove it since I really don't want to destruction test it.. but as you may have noticed the scissor trusses are already plenty stout and there is much more bracing etc. to come.. . Let's just say that the shear strength of 1/2" diameter hardened stainlees steel bolts is the weak link and those are doubled up)
YOU USED BOLTS ON A TIMBERFRAME!!!!!!
BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!
REPENT SINNER!!!Mr T
Do not try this at home!
I am an Experienced Professional!
MR.T,
the newest standards for european timberframes require steel connectors insulated from fire.. In the past when a fire would happen in a timberframe the trenails (or pegs) would burn thru causing immediate failure of the joint followed by an excersize in gravity.
(the building would collapse)
with metal connectors insulated from fire (pegs put in the holes where the lags are) the fire would first have to burn away the peg then heat up the metal connector enough for it to fail before you could see that gravity demonstration.. Since the timber insulates the metal, we are talking a very long time.. There still are the traditional mortice and tenion connections with typical halflaps/bird mouths and etc. to hold everything together.
Now please do not think that I used a bolt to connect the frame, they are simply the safety factor needed in todays litigus society..
If the stuff is that expensive ( maybe ), then what about getting it from here and ship it over? With the exchange rate it just has to be cheap. I would trade you a container of black walnut if ya like. <G>
Pick your colour ( coloursteel, baked on ), get a buncha twistshank neoprene washered roof nails and put it on yerself. very easy. Can get sheets done in whatever length you want. I have seen them at 12 metres before.........
Saaaay, I could be your "roofing agent". we could be RICH I tell ya!!
Wood Hoon
Interesting -- What prices can you get on 16 and 24 ounce copper?
-- J.S.
I dont know, but I will find out and get back to you.
I do know that copper guttering is pretty pricey, but then, with exchange rate etc it may still be way less than you guys get it. stranger things have happened.
Wood Hoon
John,
I don't know what the price is in New Zealand, but I'm willing to bet it would be expensive to ship it here!. By the way, I bought 44 sheets of .032 copper that were 3x8 feet and only paid $20.00 a sheet at my local scrap metal dealer.. They went up on the roof this weekend as flashing.. looks good and if I can figure out how to post pictures I'll show them..
Copper .032" thick would be called 24 ounce in the copper biz, a good solid choice for valleys and flashing. That would be 24 ounces per square foot, so a 3x8 ft. sheet would be 36 lbs. With copper just under a buck a pound, you did real well on the price. And 44 sheets would be more than enough to do my roof twice. How are you tooled up for cutting and bending it?
-- J.S.
went to a sheet metal shop with my drawings.. (that cost a bit more than I planned for but what the heck!) my little break strains to bend anything longer than two feet with a reasonable degree of accuracy..
I estimate it'll take about 55 sq. to do my place and there are seven dormers and 4 valleys (the valleys are about 22 feet long) Not to mention a round tower that will sit smack dab in the middle of one of the valleys that promises to be a major headache designing a cricket to shed water around the tower!
I put ice and water shield over the part that's done but still have a leak in one of the valley's.. I checked carefully and cannot find a source for the leak.. any suggestion's on how to find the leak source? (I won't put the shingles on untill I'm certain that I've found the source of the leak)
Here's one of the sources I've found for copper roofing tools:
http://www.nabocker.com/store/category.cfm?Category=58
Mine's just a little over three squares for the decorative copper section (the rest is flat roof), with one dormer and two valleys of about 15 ft. That round tower sounds like lots of fun. I know of a building that has copper over wood on round towers, I'll see if I can link to a picture of it later.
Finding leaks can be a real pain, because the water may enter through the membrane far from where it drips down into where you can see it. And that takes time. One way to start might be to run water onto it, and just time how long it takes from when you start the hose to when you see the drip. Then let it all dry out and start another day running the hose on the roof working up one side of the valley then the other, keeping track of the time and waiting for the leak. Take the time of the leak appearing, subtract the lag time you determined in the previous test, and the place getting watered at that time is the place to start looking at closely.
-- J.S.
Edit: OK, here's a link to some pictures of the building with those round towers with copper over wood roofing. They re-roofed it in the early 1980's, the original copper was pretty much shot after 420 years, in spite of having been painted at times.
http://sangha.net/st-basil.htm
Edited 5/22/2003 8:47:35 PM ET by JOHN_SPRUNG
Neat! new tools to buy! (did I mention that I'm a tool ahololic? in addition to being a wood ahololic?)
As for the roof in Russia!!!!! wow!
can you imagine trying to do that?
In Construction Techniques there's a thread on Making Your Own Flashing. One guy there has a home made break, which may be of interest. I just asked him to post pix if he can. I'm going to have to choose between that and $380 for the roller bender tool. My plan is to go with standing seams, just single locked and soldered. The tooling requirements are to cut, bend, crimp, and solder the long joints, and to do the small bending for the bread pan ends.
Actually, I was hoping those copper clad onion domes in Moscow would inspire you to do something similar with your round tower. It's no harder to imagine than the big timber work you've already done. ;-)
-- J.S.
You know John,
a really true friend would find it in his heart to allow another a chance to show off his expertise.. Since we are such good close friends I'll be kind and let you do your thing........<G> Just one onion dome if you please!
Well --- Let me do this little standing seam roof job first, just to learn the copper trade. ;-) What's the diameter of the tower?
-- J.S.
I'm thinking about an 8 foot diameter one..
30# felt followed by red rosin paper is what they recommend. Without the rosin paper, the copper would get glued down by the asphalt in the felt, and expansion would cause it to buckle. You might also consider the lead coated copper if you'd prefer the gray patina to the green.... It would be closer to slate in color.
And, of course, Great Job! This has to be the all time best project in the history of this site.
-- J.S.
lead coated lasts a lot longer too. The lead is a sacrificial layer that washes away slowly over the course of frenchies lifetime and that of his heirs..
Excellence is its own reward!
Sounds great for Frenchy's heir's environment... A good heart embiggins even the smallest person.
Quittin' Time
Actually, that Q came up in the class.
The answer was that it is such a heavy meatl that it doesn't travel far in the soil, an inch or two is all so unless they are growing tomatoes right at the drip line, there is no objective reason for concern..
Excellence is its own reward!
Tell that to the Romans...It's a mad idea, I tells ya!<G> EliphIno!
Those old foggies were drinking straight out of lead pipes that were miles long.
but the Q still does hang in the air.
Excellence is its own reward!
I know what you need for that roof, gold leaf.
Don't know what substrate that you need, but based on the examples that I see where they are redoing them expect 75-100 years life.
"what I can't understand is are slates made of gold? $600 to $1000 a sq. for slate? three tab shingles are about $35 a square arch. shingles start at $45 a sq. and evan the real high end ones cost less than a hundred a square..
when you need about 55 sq that's $55,000 for just the slate! Kinda expensive roof...
"
It's a little harder to split slate out of a rock ledge than it is to hog down a cedaar and froe it out.
And then there's the permiting, excise taxes, and environmental controls surronding a quarry.
Just looking at the cost/foot/annum - a slate roof will last three to ten times as long as the other options you mentioned, making the annual cost less..
Excellence is its own reward!
Sorry that you've been sick,, hope it wasn't serious..
I'm sorry I'm whining about the cost of anything.. It's just that I'm a natural cheapskate and always on the lookout for the deal.. paying a premium for something just hurts..
I honestly expected to find something or some way to get slate at an affordable price.. Having to settle for something less isn't really in my make-up but i better get something on the roof pretty soon..
Get bituthyene on it then.
Excellence is its own reward!
Piffin/Freedomy,
Is there any kind of market in recycled slate ?
Mr T
Do not try this at home!
I am an Experienced Professional!
Yes!
Roofers keep all they can of good ones for repairs.
Crafters use seconds for painting wall decorations on and selling in craft shops and tourist shops.
Seconds may look OK but when you tap it with a slaters hanmmer held just so, you hear a dull "tunk" instead of a solid rang..
Excellence is its own reward!
Yes! Yes! Yes! I'll buy all you have.. do you have about 55 sq?
Boy Frenchy 55# of slate is a lot of weight !
You think the place will hold it?
:DMr T
Do not try this at home!
I am an Experienced Professional!
I'm sorry, 55 hundred square feet of slate..
A LOT of weight!!!
you better put some posts in the middle of those trusses.
Probably should use concrete filled lally columns.
A little contact paper will make them look JUST LIKE walnut.
Wicked sharp!!Mr T
Do not try this at home!
I am an Experienced Professional!
Now of that stuff seems to have much affect on me when I take it.
But I have found that if anytime I have over done it that if I take a couple when I go to sleep I wake up 10 times better shape than I would have been.
Jeez Bill I'd hate to think how I felt if I was ten times worse.. They'd have to dig up my decomposing corpse!
Well! He ain't no gnome. Looks like a stout craftsman!
That's it Shoeman,
I'm sueing you for defamation of Charcter! I don't look that ugly! I'm tall and handsome rich and famous. (oh and I still have tittle to that bridge in Brookyn) ;-)
Specifically told Notchman that he "might" see Frenchy in that photo to cover my a$$ against any potential litigation - who knows the Notchmiester "might see the helper" - "might see a wood gnome - hell if I know what he'll see
Speaking of lawsuits though - I have been suffering a bit of mental anguish trying to post these damn pictures - come to think of it I think it all started when the forklift platform went 50' in the air causing chemical overload due to my sever achriphobia - Swear the guy told me just to "stand on this platform for a little better view" I had no idea it was magic and would levitate - come to think of it - just that initial movement of what I thought was a solid object caused me to have a movement of my own - so lets see - new boxers, pain and suffering, mental anguish - what was that you were saying about a lawsuit?
well if you're willing to settle for some black walnut 4x4's My attorney will discuss terms with your attorney!!
I'll tell you what, iffin your ready to settle for enough black walnut to make your own heavy duty saw horse, (he he ) we'll have a deal!
Well, if you're handing out black walnut as punishment, my flattery ought to be worth a stick or two! :-)
Really nice to see what you're doing...what a great project! I suffered and struggled and sweated to do my crib, not on the scale of yours, but with a similar passion. Toward the end, I was sick of it. But I'll never forget the fine feeling I experienced the first night I slept in it!
And my wife, too, was (and is) a saint, to put up with living 14 years in a 40-year-old trailer house (where she could look out the window and wonder 'what in the hell is taking so long?!')
I bet if you asked real nice, Frenchy would let you have the black walnut in the lower left hand corner of this pic.
If you got yourself a couple gallons of glue and a compactor, you could make yourself some sticks
that is just a small portion of a much larger pile of walnut planer shavings
notchman,,
of course there's a piece of black walnut for you,, all ya have to do is stop by and get it,, ;-) Of course 'iffan your handy I might just have ya....;-)
two words
Pony Up!!!
Shoeman,
with approval of your lawyer, I'll increase the stakes enough so that you can build two black walnut saw horses.. (just one is sooo tacky!) You can evan use the equipment to plane 'em and saw 'em. Now 'iffin your were handy to say,.. hold this end of....;-)
You gotta have a better picture of Frenchy than that! I cropped it, blew it up, and mounted it on cork board....the darts are stickin`, but the lack of clarity isn`t quite the motivation I was hoping for!
Frenchy...God bless ya man....looks like a hell of a job, and a ton of work.....if ya ever finish you`ll have something to be truly proud of. I doubt I`d ever take on something of that scale for myself. Keep up the great work.J. D. Reynolds
Home Improvements
"DO IT RIGHT, DO IT ONCE"
think that might be the best picture I have of Frenchy, too bad it was not more of a close up - that beam he is sitting on is about 6 or 8 inches wide, about 12" tall and what 20 feet long or so - long enough to go across the garage door opening
the damn thing was beautifull veneer grade black walnut - I could make 30 grandfather clocks out of that thing - iffin I were so inclined - and this guy is using it for a garage door header - can you say WACKO - should really have traded him a couple microlams for it
Didn't know they made black walnut microlam's Hmm I get big pile of black walnut shavings every week maybe I could start my own company?
That's the trouble with us liberals, lazy shiftless government feeders we are!
actually I'm surprised that Shoeman's camera still works, they very seldom do after taking pictures of me!
By the way. that's about a third of what will need doing..
not so sure your didn't break my camera !
can't seem to find a few of the shots I know I took - pretty sure I had one of that Makita groover tool of yours - maybe still in the camera - a little something for six months from now when I manage to finish the roll
probably will catch hell for posting this, but, does anyone know anthing about the slate looking shingles that are made out of old tires? Is this at all an alternative for this roof?
before you all go off on me - you should know that all sides of this timber frame that can't be seen in the photos are sided in vinyl
oh yeah and those trusses are held together with long sheetrock screws!
gotta go hide,
Shoe
sheetrock screws! That's it, no soup for you!
Here's what it can look like. I wouldn't do that to Frenchy.
;_)
The ones on the left side of the valley are real slate. Right side are the imitations. See if you can tell the difference..
Excellence is its own reward!
Piffin, thanks for the input on the fake slate, was just trying to brainstorm for Frenchy
Whatever he puts up there will have to be meticulously installed - people WILL see it
Yes, people from all over the Tauntonian Kingdom!
;).
Excellence is its own reward!
The kingdom, eh?
I don't think we surfs see enough thatched roofs, perfect match for the beamwork and stone. Cost be damned, it's Frenchy's money.
What's wrong with faux slate roll roofing? That brick stuff they used to make was pretty classy.
Sweet digs, you are definitly celebrating the wood. I might get some kinda religion livin' in something like that.
You just keep keeping your wife happy<G> EliphIno!
I got a sample of one of the plastic/rubber slates . It looks real . the cost was more than concrete tile but a bit less than real slate. Anothe rpossability might be standing seam painted steel . The guy down the road from me just redid an old house roof with it . Looks good , A few old houses used to have standing seam roofs that were made of tern steel or somthing like that because it was cheeper than copper .
I usually save landscape layout JPGs at 720 wide with 72 DPI for e-mails and posting here. I don't think that Irfamview will open the file my scanner saves to. Yours must have a feature somewhere for resizing or a save as adjustment of some kind. Keep working on oit. It's fun when you get there..
Excellence is its own reward!
Now Shoeman,
calling me a nice guy won't get you out of the work you promised<G>
actually nice of you to stop by, I can't wait to see how the rest of the photos you took came out..
very interesting to see the place from someone elses eyes..
thank you very much!