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What does this mean?

Sailfish | Posted in General Discussion on November 17, 2006 06:57am

Mahogany, rough sawn, 8 quarter thick, random lengths (6′-12′)and widths (4″-12″)

$7 board foot.

 

What is 8 quarter thick?

How much would a 4″ x 12′ board cost?

Is this a good deal?

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WWPD

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    IMERC | Nov 17, 2006 07:05pm | #1

    8/4 = 2"

    1BF = 1"x1"x12"

    8/4x4x12 = 8BF

    8BFx7$ = 56$

     

     

    Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

    WOW!!! What a Ride!

    Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!



    Edited 11/17/2006 11:09 am by IMERC

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      Sailfish | Nov 17, 2006 07:10pm | #3

      thanks.

      The 8 confused me.

      Since 5/4 is 1"

      I figured 10/4 would be 2"

      I have so much to learn.

       

       -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

       

      WWPD

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        IMERC | Nov 17, 2006 07:12pm | #4

        4/4 is 1"

        5/4 is 1-1/4" 

         

        Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

        WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->

        Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

        1. CAGIV | Nov 18, 2006 03:20am | #20

          Depending if it's rough or smooth...

          5/4 smooth is 1"

          5/4 rough is 1 1/4"

          around here anyway

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            IMERC | Nov 18, 2006 03:26am | #22

            location.. location... location... 

            Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

            WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->

            Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

      2. JAlden | Nov 17, 2006 07:13pm | #5

        The 5/4 is rough. Minus 1/4 for planing to become "surfaced two sides" S2S

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          Sailfish | Nov 17, 2006 07:15pm | #6

          Doh.

          Right as soon as I read this I remembered it was rough.

           

          thanks.

           

          Oh,  thats a pricey board.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

           

          WWPD

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        IMERC | Nov 17, 2006 07:21pm | #7

        10/4RS can become 8/4S2S..

        the declared size is what you pay for not what it can become or is intended to become..

        10/4 is 1-1/2" 

         

        Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

        WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->

        Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

      4. DanH | Nov 17, 2006 07:22pm | #8

        The 8/4 tells you they're talking rough cut dimensions, before drying, and it can be under/over by 1/8" or so. They're not guaranteeing you exactly two inches (though they'll still charge like it was two inches).

        People never lie so much as before an election, during a war, or after a hunt. --Otto von Bismarck

        1. woodturner9 | Nov 17, 2006 07:44pm | #9

          The 8/4 tells you they're talking rough cut dimensions, before drying, and it can be under/over by 1/8" or so.

          8/4 may not be referring to rough cut - around here, FAS 8/4 is generally sold already surfaced.

          The S2S designation is not generally used (around here) in the hardwood lumber trade - it's a construction term, not a cabinetmakers term.

          1. lwj2 | Nov 17, 2006 09:24pm | #10

            Most sawmills around here cut over.The last butternut 8/4 I purchased measured 9/4+ and surfaced to 8/4.Dunno if the custom is common elsewhere.Leon

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            IMERC | Nov 17, 2006 09:30pm | #11

            here it's the declared size + designator.. RS, S1S, S2S or S4S

             

            Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

            WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->

            Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

            Edited 11/17/2006 1:32 pm by IMERC

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            Heck | Nov 17, 2006 09:42pm | #12

            You forgot S1S2E._______________________________________________________________

            If you are what you eat, I'm fast, cheap and easy.

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            IMERC | Nov 17, 2006 10:16pm | #14

            and the neighbor's 750SLC 

            Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

            WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->

            Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

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            Sailfish | Nov 17, 2006 10:36pm | #15

            I am but a simple weekend warrior, you guys and your wood jargon, forced me to look some things up

            J1S, J2S

            Jointed, Sometimes needed for wide stock.

            S4S

            Both edges and both faces are planer finished

            S3S

            One edge, both faces are planed, one edge rough.

            S2S

            Planed on both surfaces of the board.

            S1S

            Planed on one surface of the board.

            RGH

            Rough sawn lumber.

            R1E

            Straight line ripped one edge.

            R2E

            Straight line ripped two edges.

            Resaw

            A board split in half from a thicker board.

            4/4

            1" rough thickness.

            5/4

            1-1/4" rough thickness.

            6/4

            1-1/2" rough thickness.

            8/4

            2" rough thickness.

            10/4

            2-1/2" rough thickness.

            12/4

            3" rough thickness.

            16/4

            4" rough thickness.

            FAS

            First and Seconds, the top grade for hardwoods.

            Sel&Btr

            Select & Better. Includes Select & FAS boards.

            #1Com

            Number one common grade.

            #2Com

            Number two common grade.

            To calculate a "Board Foot" measure (/BF or Bd. Ft.) - use the following formula and dimensions of the lumber in the rough:<!----><!----><!----><!----><!---->

            <!---->Thickness (in inches) X Width (in inches) X Length (in feet) divided by 12<!---->

            <!----><!---->Example: 1" X 6" X 10' divided by 12 = 5 Bd. Ft.

             

             -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

             

            WWPD

          6. IdahoDon | Nov 18, 2006 03:56am | #24

            The "s3s" seems to make sense, but our suppliers would call that board a s2s 1p (surfaced two sides, planed on one).  

            Apparently that's so if you want a particular form of s2s it can't differentiat which of the four edges are planed, whereas s1s 1p, s2s and the simple 2p can.

            Go figure.   :-)

              

            Beer was created so carpenters wouldn't rule the world.

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            Heck | Nov 17, 2006 11:40pm | #16

            and a partridge in a pear tree._______________________________________________________________

            If you are what you eat, I'm fast, cheap and easy.

          8. VaTom | Nov 17, 2006 09:43pm | #13

            That's interesting.  Both places (Denver and Va) I've bought a lot of cabinet lumber S2S was a common term for the last 30 yrs.  And 8/4 is what you measure before it goes through the planer.  8/4 S2S thickness will depend on who's doing the planing. 

            Regarding size "before drying", I'd never heard of that audacity before one wholesaler out of Richmond (Va) tried to pull that crap on me.  They actually had two prices- for the same damn board.  Total BS.  They didn't last long in the lumber business.  PAHS Designer/Builder- Bury it!

          9. Shep | Nov 18, 2006 02:18am | #18

            Hey woodturner-I like your handle!

            What kind of turning do you do?

            I'm basically a spindle kind of guy; I only do a couple of bowls a year, if that.

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            Sailfish | Nov 18, 2006 02:38am | #19

             I only do a couple of bowls a year

            That just sounds odd to me ;)-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

             

            WWPD

          11. Shep | Nov 18, 2006 10:24pm | #26

            there's nothing wrong with a couple of bowls a year

            you and Imerc gotta find new hobbies

            <G>

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            IMERC | Nov 18, 2006 10:45pm | #27

            takes at least that for golf to make sense.. 

            Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

            WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->

            Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

          13. cabman | Nov 19, 2006 02:24am | #28

            Now to really confuse things is that green tally or net tally?

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            IMERC | Nov 18, 2006 03:25am | #21

            I only do a couple of bowls a year

            so now I know why you golf..

             

            Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

            WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->

            Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

            Edited 11/17/2006 7:26 pm by IMERC

          15. DougU | Nov 18, 2006 04:39am | #25

            I only do a couple of bowls a year

            The concrete guys do that much before they get out of the truck in the morn!

            Doug

    2. highfigh | Nov 19, 2006 02:30am | #29

      "1BF = 1"x1"x12""Yeah? oops, must be something on one of your fingers and it couldn't see the 2 key. 1 BF = 1"x 12"x 12" here in Milwaukee, but we've obviously been drinking.
      "I cut this piece four times and it's still too short."

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        IMERC | Nov 19, 2006 03:22am | #30

        so busted.... 

        Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

        WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->

        Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

  2. JAlden | Nov 17, 2006 07:10pm | #2

    Eight quarter inches. So two inches thick.

    $7/ Board Foot  is for 1" thick x 12' wide x 12" long.

    So, 2" x 4" x12' would be $56

    Edit: Missed the 12 feet part



    Edited 11/17/2006 11:12 am ET by JAlden

  3. IdahoDon | Nov 18, 2006 12:17am | #17

    Is this a good deal?

    If it's fantastic wood and you don't have the right tools to plane it down and straighten things out then it's a terrible deal.

    If the wood is crappy it doesn't matter how well it's finished, so that would also be a bad deal.

    It's like saying wine of unknown condition is on sale for $9.99 a bottle. 

    1. sharpblade | Nov 18, 2006 03:52am | #23

      OMG, second time I agree with you in 10 minutes. scary.

      To the OP: yes its a great deal. Buy as much as you can, don't listen to idahodon, he's just jaelous.

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