Besides 15# felt tarpaper, Celoxtex style asphalt impregnated fiberboard sheets, and standard three tab shingles,
what other building materials which are still being manufactured and available are pretty much useless?
When I called to see it he was not at home. I walked about the outside, at first unobserved from within, the window was so deep and high. It was of small dimensions, with a peaked cottage roof, and not much else to be seen, the dirt being raised five feet all around as if it were a compost heap.
–Thoreau’s Walden
–Thoreau’s Walden
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You mean like 2z4 studs?
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self stick vinyl tile?
Rosin paper, at least that's my floor guys opinion and he's an old-timer. He maintains that it was originally used to help keep crud from filtering down through the cracks in subfloors. With contemporary subfloor materials he believes that it isn't necessary. He installs it simply because everyone assumes that it's necessary and it's easier( and cheap) to install than to try and dissuade someone from using it.
It IS necessary and cheap. You can get a lot of floor squeaks without it.
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Vinyl "siding"?
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I forgot about 1/4" plywood paneling with the photocopied faux wood grain finish. It astonishes me that the big boxes still dedicate a few bins to keep about six flavors in stock. Everytime I go down that aisle, the dust on that stuff is thicker than the time before.
I hate that stuff too.....but I can't help but feel that an entire room done with that, and furnished properly, could make a hell of a "70s Room".
Complete with disco ball of course!
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It's gotta be a basement room and the pipes and duct work have to be boxed in with it toowith brown plastic cornersI wish I knew how to insert an annoying Martha Stewart Banner in my tagline....
YES!
One wall completely covered in mirror. (Over by the dance floor)
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and the window wells in the cileing (suspended) have to be boxed with it too.and orange/red shag carpet that smells like bongwaterI wish I knew how to insert an annoying Martha Stewart Banner in my tagline....
I'm lovin' it more and more by the minute.
The cheesier the better!
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We still use 15 lb. felt. Why do you think it is useless?
I still use three tab shingle on occassion as well.
I think they both have their place.
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I am doing a 3 tab roof today, 90ยบ expected. Glad I figgered out how to do them top down.
I like 3 tabs better than the archy shingles, they're asphalt and they don't pretend to be something else.
Knew I'd catch it for that one. snorK* I'd always used 15 for under the roofings and sidewalls then copped a roll of 30 for whatever reason and was amazed at how much better it laid and stayed laid in the sun.
'Course being pretty much a solo guy my stuff is usually left exposed a while and not finished the same day.
I confess I'll probably use 15 again in some instances. Like underneath shed walls which is the only thing vinylsiding is good for. ROAR!
The roof was the soundest part, though a good deal warped and made brittle by the sun. -Thoreau's Walden
Edited 5/31/2007 9:46 am ET by rez
A lot of times in remodeling you need to use materials to match existing materials that you would rather not use. But, I've seen some 3 tab shingles last as long as more expensive shingles. Usually though more expensive materials last longer and look better longer.
Edited 5/31/2007 9:54 am ET by T White
careful...
felt and vynal siding often do not get along...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
oh oh.
What happens? The roof was the soundest part, though a good deal warped and made brittle by the sun. -Thoreau's Walden
chemical reaction and staining..Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
5/4 x 6 p.t. decking
I've often used that material
Should I be ashamed?
greenboard
greenboard
That was the first thing that popped into my head.
In Boise almost all the tile guys want to use it as a moisture barrier under hardi or directly under shower tile. I told a fellow just today that he shouldn't let his tile guy use it. It must be a local/regional thing because back home in WY we'd make a tile guy rip it out if they tried to use it.
Beer was created so carpenters wouldn't rule the world.
Just thought of another one
CHEAP PAINT
Particle board.
But only when its been used for anything.
Support our Troops. Bring them home. Now. And pray that at least some of the buildings in the green zone have flat roofs, with a stairway.
But you still have to use particle board for laminate countertops.
I vote for photo finish molding from the 70's.
But you still have to use particle board for laminate countertops.
No, I don't. There are alternatives that do not self destruct if placed in the same room with two drops of water.
Support our Troops. Bring them home. Now. And pray that at least some of the buildings in the green zone have flat roofs, with a stairway.
That is because you have been buying cheap PB.Here we have industrial, west coast partical board. And it comes in many sizes for cabinets and coutner tops such as 25x145"..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
That is because you have been buying cheap PB.
Nope, not me. I don't buy the stuff at all. Ever since I saw my first piece of the stuff when I was a kid, it has seemed to be the lesser of many alternatives.
And yes, I've seen cabinets and countertops done with it that look terriffic. Until something chips them, or until water meets up with them at an edge. Or a joint. Or a seam in the countertop.Support our Troops. Bring them home. Now. And pray that at least some of the buildings in the green zone have flat roofs, with a stairway.
Celoxtex style asphalt impregnated fiberboard sheets.
Boy, don't you git smart with me now. Yer-ah talkin' 'bout my siding!
Celotex spells quality in my neighborhood. I repaint them big yeller letters 'bout ever four-five years, jus so folks'll know we got the real thang.
Nails, except for putting up 3 tab.
Oh come on, like I could resist ;)
Rebuilding my home in Cypress, CA
Also a CRX fanatic!
Parenting has always been a mix of sage life advice and inexcusable laziness.
Word on the street is you've got a patent pending on an Bostich air roofing gun attachment that will drive screws into both asphalt and fiberglass shingles.
How's that going and when will it be available to the public?Doorsill there was none, but a perennial passage for the hens under the door board. Mrs. C. came to the door and asked me to view it from the inside. The hens were driven in by my approach. It was dark, and had a dirt floor for the most part, dank, clammy, and aguish, only here a board and there a board which would not bear removal. -Thoreau's Walden
I've always thought 1/4" Luan (always closer to 3/16") was garbage and not really worth the material and energy expended to make it.
Makes good, cheap, lightweight protection for working over finished floors. I've also used it to button up a window or door rough openings for overnight protection from weather (not for hurricane shutters of course), and also for sealing off occupied parts of homes going through reno. Aside from that, it's pretty much useless.
Yeah!!
if they made it any thinner you could roll it up like 15# felt...I wish I knew how to insert an annoying Martha Stewart Banner in my tagline....
Actually, if you leave it alone long enough it'll roll up by itself and you won't even have to touch it.
be and what is Liquid Petroleum siding?She lighted a lamp to show me the inside of the roof and the walls, and also that the board floor extended under the bed, warning me not to step into the cellar, a sort of dust hole two feet deep. In her own words, they were "good boards overhead, good boards all around, and a good window" — of two whole squares originally, only the cat had passed out that way lately. -Thoreau's Walden
concrete.A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and gets to bed at night, and in between he does what he wants to do...
LOL. I was waiting for that!
15lb felt... i'd pick it any time over any of the white dupont papers... "house wraps" whatever... i also use 15lb under my hardwood floors... i've torn down alot of 50+yr old stuff and the 15lb felt still was as good as new...
3tab shingles... don't see a thing wrong with em ... or anything about em that needs defending...
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15lb felt... i'd pick it any time over any of the white dupont papers... "house wraps" whatever...
YUP. Glad to see I'm not the only one still goin' "old school" with the house wrap.
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JDRHI,
Make that 3
"Poor is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves more."...Seneca
The old Aluminum siding has to be in the the top 10 list of worsted building products ever. Makes me cringe as I walk up to a new customer's home that has it on it. I even have a prayer for times like this. "Please GOD, let it be all interior work they want."
Best to you and yours, Chris.
Building as thou art paranoid never harmed anyone.
Yea, its bad, but worth good$ for scrap!
Anything plastic, vinyl or composite.
Anything plastic, vinyl or composite.
Well, you may be able to join the Amish, the really strict ones. Or you could move to Brazil and go native with those Ya-no-mommy indians. Other than that, your options are pretty limited.
BTW, what do you use for tools? ;-)
Edit: Wait a minute! The Ya-no-mommies recently appeared in an SUV commercial, riding in the back and chanting happily. So they sold out too. I guess you'll be growing a long beard and hitchin' up your britches with button-on suspenders, pretty soon.
Edited 6/1/2007 11:37 am ET by Hudson Valley Carpenter
Well, I actually apprenticed with Mennonites, and I did like the movie Witness. Not taking the term composite to literally,(since plywood and sheetrock are technically composite materials) I was referring more to Trex decking and Azek trim, my house and most projects I have designed and built use natural materials: wood, stone and metals.
Well, I actually apprenticed with Mennonites, and I did like the movie Witness.
Yeah, I was a fan of that actress myself...;-)
I envy you the experience of learning from such dedicated craftsmen. There's a world of knowledge and experience...that most of us will never be able to touch.
One way I've gotten to know a little about Mennonite families is to stay overnight as a paying guest on a dairy farm in Lancaster County. Very warm people and really good vibes in those farm houses.
I have not worked with the Amish directly, but many of the Mennonites that I worked with had spent time in Lancaster as well. There are Mennonite communities in Ontario where I lived.The tragedy at that school house in Lancaster last fall still disturbs me greatly. On a lighter note, the summer the movie Witness came out, I was the foreman of the addition to a Mennonite church, and one weekend we had to raise a huge wall. Many members of the congregation volunteered that day, and I found myself directing all these guys to lift this wall. I think the coincidence of the movie and the barn raising scene was lost on them though. I thought it was surreal, life imitating art.
Forty years ago, early 1967, I was working in Durango, Mexico as foreman on a small, American owned, mining operation high up in the Sierras. One of the last little farm communities we passed through, before ascending into the mountains, was Mennonite, all of them from Germany. As is the custom in Mexico, we never passed anyone walking those dirt roads between pueblos, without stopping to offer them a ride.
Well, the only language I had in common with the Mennonites was Spanish. So, in order to find out where the man was going, I had to first decipher what he was saying. Ever try understanding poor Spanish, spoken with a really thick German accent? I always had to ask one of the Mexican guys what was being said. And sometimes they couldn't understand him either.
In the end I would always say, very slowly, "Cuando es tiempo, digame ALTO!"
The guy who owned the company I apprenticed for went down to Mexico to build houses for the Mennonites there. They seem to be concentrated in Manitoba, Ontario, Indiana, Pennsylvania and Mexico. Interesting locals indeed.
TGNY,
There is a fairly large community of Mennonite here in the Willamette Valley of Ore. as well.
Family relations with those in Pa. from what I gather. Here however they do not eschew the modern conveniences, the ones I know best own an Electrical Contracting co., many others are farmers though.
"Poor is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves more."...Seneca
The Mennonite church is one of the fastest growing Christian denominations in the world. There are the traditional ethnic/cultural Mennonites, and then there are the believers who identify with that interpretation of Christian teaching doctrinally.
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Anything plastic, vinyl or composite
Thank you, couldn't have said it better.
I'm not too sure or fond of the newer PT.
I have kin that are mennonite.
They are actually pretty kewl for the most part. Except the time when I was a kid and stayed with them
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Gotta disagree there. I am getting to like AZEK more every time I use it, and the composite material they use for Integrity windows is fantastic, each in their own place.
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We have just recently started running into it ( Azec, or Similar) here...what a suprise when I wentto drive gutter hangers screws into it exoecting it to be painted Cedar!
Thank god I switched to an Impact driver, I think a drill would have made me very un-happy. That stuff is harder than it appears to be. But all in all, I like it."you are dead a lot longer than you are alive"Noah Aaron MacKenzie, 1990.
The number 1 usless building material is MDF baseboard and casing. It just SUCKS!!!
Masonite siding
like siding yer house with compressed cow$h!t...
some call it dirt board..
I call it dearth board
I wish I knew how to insert an annoying Martha Stewart Banner in my tagline....
Vinyl sided houses remind me of Tupperware. You burp the door closed.
Who can forget the galvanized shower pans?
Glamorous
I'm surprised no one has mentioned LP siding (or have they?). It does, however, have some redeeming value in that provides job security for siding contractors.
T-111
Those five-gallon cans of asphalt emulsion where 3 gallons ends up on the basement wall and 2 gallons ends up on your bib overalls, sold as damp-proofing, which it doesn't.
12 years ago when i first caught on to plastic dimple fabric, i tried to get it locally, but the locals tried to sell me more of the same thing that hadn't kept water out of the basement thus far. I asked the fellow why people use it when it doesn't work, and he said, "Bec we always have." "Have your basements always leaked?" "Yup." He failed to note the irony.
I ordered the plastic from Minnesota.