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Well, my obsessive over-searching on Craigslist really paid off this week. Was looking for a planer and some cedar slab for a deck project and ran across a 2 year old sawstop with 52″ extension, SawStop guide, Delta stacked Dado blade and cartridge, Jet mobile base, and Jessem Mitre gauge for an awesome price! Expecting the better half to shoot it down she says “it’s a safety thing and you’ve been looking for one forever, right? Just get it.” Man, am I one lucky guy! 43rd bday is in two weeks and I can’t believe my early present!!
Set it up in my shop tonight, haven’t dialed it in but got it eyeball close and hooked it up to the ClearVue … good god this thing just works. Too cool!
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Question: this is the first cabinet saw I’ve had to set up myself … where do you guys recommend getting a dial feeler gauge with magnetic base to set it up?
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You have to state the price to validate the gloat.
"Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
$2800 plus a case of beer? Why does that seem like a lot of money to me?For $2800 I could outfit an entire shop.I buy a lot of used tools and equipment. When doing so, I shoot for a 70% discount.I got a near identical Delta Uni set-up as he just described, lacking the miter gauge and substituting a 2hp/2stg dust collector for the jointer, all for $500 plus 2 beers. In fact, the wife said almost the identical thing "Well, you've been wanting one for a long time and it's what you want so get it".DC
Tis true what the Fast one said.
No price means gloat rejected.
If there's a Woodcraft nearby, they have the guages. If not, maybe ask around for a machinists supply house.
Otherwise, the web.
I won't be laughing at the lies when I'm gone,
And I can't question how or when or why when I'm gone;
I can't live proud enough to die when I'm gone,
So I guess I'll have to do it while I'm here. (Phil Ochs)
OK, but let it be noted that I refrained to keep all from feeling bad:
2 year old 3 hp Saw, dado blade, Jessem miter gauge, mobile base, dado cartridge and a good condition Delta deluxe 6" jointer. Purchased locally+ one professional owner (verified), perfect condition:
$2800 + a case of beer for my buddies to help move the stuff.
How's that?
Pretty good! Kinda like getting all of the extras, and the jointer, for nothing!
I won't be laughing at the lies when I'm gone,
And I can't question how or when or why when I'm gone;
I can't live proud enough to die when I'm gone,
So I guess I'll have to do it while I'm here. (Phil Ochs)
Now, did you get to Help your buddies down that beer?
Nice find on CL Have fun & dont cut anything off, wait a minute- sometimes I dont understand me neither No one should regard themselve as "God's gift to man." But rather a mere man whos gifts are from God.
You only gave them a case of beer? I hope it was good beer.How can you understand God if you can't understand people? How can you understand people if you can't understand yourself?
dial feeler gauge?
Never heard of anything like that but maybe you're thinking Dial Indicator? or Vernier Caliper?
Use either term at Enco or MSC and see which one you're thinking of.
The SawStop discussion has come up before, and I'd like to add my perspective based on my career and recent personal experience. [ hijack alert..this doesn't have anything to do with your bargain ].
I'm DIY. My profession is Emergency Medicine physician for thirty years.
I was using a push stick to rip a narrow piece about 18 inches long. As it went past the blade [guard off] the front lifted slightly so I pushed it down with my left hand. See it coming don't you ? The piece bound between the rip fence and the blade shooting back and taking my thumb with it. Bing! In an instant. You kind of wait to look to see how bad it is because it doesn't really hurt.
Well, both digital nerves, 50% flexor tendon lac, knicked the bone and a big piece of my thumb relatively speaking, splattered on the saw, the floor and the ceiling. I've left the blood on the floor as a reminder.
Well, the point is, as expensive as the SawStop is, I could've have easily bought more than one with what this has cost me. But I have the thumb and it works and it never really hurt that bad. Critics will say and justifiably, if I hadn't been stupid then I wouldn't need the SawStop. Just something for you guys and gals to think about, and justification if you want one and have trouble pulling the trigger on the price.
I wonder though when you watch the safety demonstration what would happen if you throw the hot dog on the saw instead of creeping up to it. Basically, my thumb went through there at near 3,000 rpm.
Another side point. I've got a friend working at one of the "stay young forever" clinics who rx's me Growth Hormone Stimulating Factor. I've used it for three months and the flesh has healed very well. The nerves not so much but normally it would take about a year considering the level where I cut them. I can't do a controlled study, but this appears to be one of the legitimate uses of this monkey gland [email protected].
Yikes.Food for thought.Scott.
The more I read about the injuries people receive from their table saws, the more I am becoming apt to say that there is a definite need for this SawStop.I really don't know why there is a debate. If you think you need a SawStop to protect yourself from yourself, then you probably need one.Edited to add: And if you really do need one, then you probably shouldn't even be using or be around a table saw.... but nothing's gonna stop you, so you might as well spend the extra money to protect you from you. It's like all those women who drive so horribly that they have to drive massive SUV's just to be better protected if/when they do run into something.I am positive I do not need a SawStop. Nothing about a table saw scares me. They are simple machines with predictable results.Your story is in addition to the many other tool horror stories I have listened to; almost every time I just have to shake my head in disgust.The phrase my mother used to scream at me as a child comes to mind: "What the hell were you thinking?!?!?! You weren't thinking, that's the problem!!!"These days I think the steps through; In the case you describe I would have been using a push stick in each hand and at least one feather board and the blade height should have been dialed down to the absolute minimal height to fully penetrate the work piece (still no guard, I never use TS guards). If things go awry, the off switch is just a knee bump away and I'll trash a board before I let it control my hand positioning.So, I take it you also own a SawStop? If not, then why?DC
Edited 9/17/2009 8:33 am ET by Dreamcatcher
I'd be willing to bet that many of the people injured by tablesaws have the exact same attitude. I follow the same procedures you do, but there's no way I can say I'll never slip up. It happens. I'd like to get a sawstop someday, it simply isn't feasible right now, but if my kids get more involved in the shop I will certainly consider it.
I'd be willing to bet that you are wrong.You NEED a SawStop! You shouldn't even be touching any other table saw.Every time you use a standard table saw without incident is just another lucky break for you.Seriously, for your own good, get a SawStop.DC
If we could all be as perfect as you. I have a healthy respect for my tooling. I am also smart enough to know that accidents happen, and usually to those that think it will never happen to them.I hope you are right.I'd rather not risk my kids digits if there is a safer alternative available.
"If we could all be as perfect as you."I never said I'm perfect.Although I do have an impeccable safety record.Enough to demonstrate that I don't need a SawStop.Like I said... If you think you need it then you definitely need it.DC
I could say the same. Doesn't mean can't happen. Having that extra margin of protection certainly isn't hurting anything is it.Are you the only person that ever uses your saw?Is everyone as conscientious?The sawstop has it's merits.
"Having that extra margin of protection certainly isn't hurting anything is it."It hurts my wallet. No way could I afford the $2800 the OP paid.I don't have anything against safety features. If I could have the same set-up as I have with the SawStop feature at the same price I paid then I'd take it for sure. But I'm not going out of my way, paying way more, or depending on SawStop.I just use common sense.Yes, I am the only one who uses my saws. I wouldn't allow anyone else to use them without teaching them how and overseeing them.I could get hurt at anytime, I know that. But I am not in the same category as everyone else. Not everyone is as conscientious and careful as I am. DC
couple of points...
"how does it prevent kickback?" Riving knife.
"woman = my better 5/8's" - you are awesome and she'd delighted she got mentioned on Breaktime! (you scored me even more points)
"outfit a whole shop"... clearly you don't value the added protection from a simple mistake. That's OK. I do. I am successful enough to be able to pay for it, and I bought it for less than half price.
"you should have one / I don't need one / I'll never need one" threadjack - I made a little mistake half a lifetime ago while working overtime for under $8 an hour to get through school. I now manage risk for a big company, own my own small company, and insure the hell out of everything. Over the life of the saw (let's say 20 years) the added premium I paid boils down to less than $50 a year. Comparitavely, the liability rider that I carry costs 5x that and I am confident that I'll never dip into it ... but if I do, I am covered.
I haven't had a significant shop or jobsite incident since that one terrible day years ago. But it hurt a lot, the stitches hurt MORE, took forever to heal, and still bugs me when the weather gets bad. We have 4 kids who will, at some time, be in the shop and use the saw. With the multitude of feather boards, push sticks, push pads, etc we should never get near the blade - but if someone does it will be a family anecdote about dad's huge saw and not a life changing event.
Pride cometh before the fall
But I am not in the same category as everyone else. Not everyone is as conscientious and careful as I am.
Nor as arrogant
Man your really something and a bag of chips too!
While your out there catching dreams & saving money why don't you just sell the air bags & seat belts from your car/truck & hell you don't need car insurance or business liability insurance your Mr. Walking Safety
You really don't have respect for your tools do you, it only takes a milli sec for the worst to happen. When your having hand surgery you will have time counting all the money you saved on tools although you may not have all your fingers to count with.
Best of luck.
By the way $2800.00 was a good deal, full price is a good deal vs an injury No one should regard themselve as "God's gift to man." But rather a mere man whos gifts are from God.
You guys can keep the 'ol wives tales coming all you want, it doesn't mean your hex will mean a thing in the real world. Arrogant? not at all, just being truthful.Can an accident happen to me? absolutely, probably when I least expect it. Has a serious accident happened to me? no. Why? maybe I'm just luckier than you are, maybe I just didn't make the same stupid mistakes as you did. Why should you all be at odds with me just because I haven't gotten hurt? Do you want me to feed my hand to my saw? I have the utmost respect for all my tools; I suspect that's why they haven't turned on me yet. Aside from the basic bumps and bruises I have had only three incidents in 15yrs. of professional carpentry. 1. I got my thumb cut by a jigsaw but it glued back together fine. 2. I go a chunk of wood in the eye at the lathe. 3. not long ago I got shot in the arm with a framing nail - it bounced off the bone.So, if I'm careful and someone else is an idiot then the lot sides with the idiot, eh? I guess that's just the way society is.Personally, I commend anyone who goes without injury and incident. DC
Edited 9/17/2009 4:26 pm ET by Dreamcatcher
Why should you all be at odds with me just because I haven't gotten hurt?
Fine, you haven't been hurt, Lucky? or super safety powers?
Do you want me to feed my hand to my saw?
No, I don't think anyone is suggesting that or would do that.
I have had only three incidents in 15yrs. of professional carpentry. 1. I got my thumb cut by a jigsaw but it glued back together fine. 2. I go a chunk of wood in the eye at the lathe. 3. not long ago I got shot in the arm with a framing nail - it bounced off the bone.
Are these just the times you turned off your super safety powers or did you just lose respect & get careless those days? Just so we can understand.
As for me, I respect the table saw, If something on it makes me feel uneasy, usually means its a stupid plan not inexperience but the contrary.
Keep up the good luck & hope you never say, "If only I had a Sawstop"
No one should regard themselve as "God's gift to man." But rather a mere man whos gifts are from God.
Paul, I never said I was "lucky" or have "super safety powers". I just work slow and methodically. I put forethought into each cut. This ensures safety to myself as well as creates fewer errors in my work. I don't know all of your power tool horror stories but from the three incidents I shared with you all and of the many that my friends have shared the #1 cause of power tool accidents is just trying to work too fast.
This is followed by (and related to) the #2 cause which is executing unsafe procedures with the tool. My own experiences with safety incidents have been comparatively small but none the same carry the same weight with me as having a finger cut off by a table saw. With the jigsaw, I was coping some difficult crown and was paying more attention to the cut than to my hand position. (my only other defense is that it was a new saw to me, much different than my last)The wood chunk from the lathe was due to inexperience. It was my first lathe attempt and I sent the gouge in at the wrong angle. The nail to the arm bone was due to working too fast; which is much more prone to happen when framing a roof in 90 degree heat than when building a cabinet in an air conditioned shop.You say "If something on it makes me feel uneasy, usually means its a stupid plan not inexperience but the contrary."So is that experience enough to convince you not to do stupid tasks? I say 99% of the danger of a table saw is in the ignorance of the operator; I mean the table saw is just a surface, a straight edge, and a spinning blade... very simple. The table saw will do the same thing every time, it's very predictable. The operator is the problem. To counter this I do like I said: work slower and think about each cut before hand. Additionally I just don't put my hands near the blade. I use two push sticks, often a featherboard or two, and always use even gentle presssure to glide the work through the cut. If anything goes awry then I just move my knee a little and shut the machine down. Seems simple enough to me. And it's no secret. Pick up a book or a manual, the same techniques are rewritten all the time. If you can do that every time then you won't have an incident.Or you can go on thinking that LUCK has something to do with it.Get a SawStop, Paul!DC
DC
I think you & I are on the same page as for thinking out what we are doing & using our machines with respect & care. I to have not had any accidents with the TS
The one thing no one can predict or always prevent is a sudden kickback , THIS is the time one can get their hand/finger pulled back or down into the blade.
Kickbacks can be sudden & violent & pull your hand into harms way before we comprehend what happened.
Even with push sticks they can be twisted & pull your hand down into the blade with a bad enough kick back. All that said, Kick backs normally are preventable & usually the operators fault.
I as for me, I feel very safe with my TS & know not to hurry but I'm still human & ones mind can get full of other things.
The Saw Stop is just that extra safety margin for that one time.
Keep up the good safety record.
Paul No one should regard themselve as "God's gift to man." But rather a mere man whos gifts are from God.
Thanks Paul.I wasn't trying to say that the SawStop device isn't an effective breakthrough in TS safety and I know that anyone can have a preventable accident (which is why I told of my own accidents). But my point is that there is a group of TS users out there that the SS device benefits more than others and that group is wise to invest in the SS at any cost; just as the OP did.I'm not campaigning against SawStop or anything and I wouldn't care if every new saw sold had the device. I was just stating that my money is much better spent elsewhere. No to be crass, but I would rather a shop full of old [sometimes safety featureless] tools than one expensive but extremely safe table saw.I think it's great that people are buying into the added safety. Maybe someday the price will be right and I will say "what the heck/why not" and pick up a used SawStop too.Be safe.DC
Although I do have an impeccable safety record.
So far.
If we could all be as perfect as you."
I never said I'm perfect.
Although I do have an impeccable safety record.
Enough to demonstrate that I don't need a SawStop.
Like I said... If you think you need it then you definitely need it.
DC
I also have an "impeccable safety record". I think, no, I know , I need a sawstop.
Good for you Bobtim.Which model are you getting and when.The sooner the better.DC
Most people have never had an accident....until they have one.
"Most people have never had an accident....until they have one."Might as well say most people don't die until they do
or, most people don't chew gum until they do
or, most people don't own a dog until they have one
The statement is pretty worthless as a caution.This is better:
Most people don't know how to use a table saw properly.Or better yet:
Most people who use a table saw don't know how to use it properly.Even this:
Most people who are injured by a table saw are injured due to improper use.DC
You're almost getting the point...so, do you not plan on dying as well?
I see what you are saying...It is inevitable that if I use a tablesaw, I will have an accident with a tablesaw.Everyone who uses a tablesaw has had an accident with a tablesaw.There is no escaping the tablesaw.B.S.What, do you sell insurance for a living?Here's the fact. If I use a tablesaw sensibly and responsibly every time I use it, then I will not likely have an accident on a tablesaw. Not saying it can't happen, just not very likely.Look, fellas, I am truly sorry that you had some sort of accident while using a tablesaw. I really am. But does that really mean I will have an accident just because it happened to you? That's something my grandma would say... "Never talk on the phone during a storm. So and so's husband's cousin got struck by lightning while talking on the phone durning a thunderstorm". So everyone who talks on the phone during a storm will eventually get struck by lightning?I guess I'm living life to the extreme because I will talk on the phone during a storm and I use a tablesaw without a SawStop device.Get real.DC
I guess the blinders don't ever come off, carry on and good luck.
Somebody posted a question about how well the SawStop protects you if your finger goes into the blade really fast. I heard that this came up at one of the shows and the demonstrator satisfied the curiosity by throwing the hotdog at the blade. The safety triggered and the hotdog had a cut in it less that 3mm deep. Impressive.
I believe there is a video on Youtube where the inventor sticks his finger in.
As I am one of the idiots with 9.75 digits, the Sawstop has great appeal.
As mentioned, the use of each tool requires complete concentration and my incident was the result of being thrown into a deep discussions in my own mind following a conversation with a lunatic, I mean client. My cost was nearly $20K when including time out of work.
Bruce
In the video where Mr Gass sticks his own finger into a SawStop blade, he feeds it so slowly that the resulting cut does not make it all the way through his skin. No blood. By contrast, if the thrown hotdog had been a finger, there would have been blood aplenty, but no nerve damage or bone loss.A number of users have had actuations of the SawStop brake and thought it was a defect because their injury was too small to notice.FYI, I own a SawStop industrial model tablesaw, and it is a fabulous machine. I have never cut myself on a tablesaw in 30+ years as a carpenter, but still it is nice having the safety feature in place.As already noted, one amputation pays for a room full of SawStops.
So if you have never had a car accident, that means we don't wear a seatbelt too? I have never had a boating accident so should i toss the life jackets away also?A good friend cut a fingertip off and damaged another one just four months ago. Has no idea what he did wrong it is all a blur to him. You remind me of him the way he would talk with such confidence and attitude that " I am super careful and pay attention and no the table saw inside out.." yaya we all do and all pay attention but accidents do happen.
I'm with you on this I didn't see a good deal at all either.
actually know a lot of people in the trades and only know of a couple with table saw accidents and both still have all 10 fingers.
and all this talk about amputations costing more than a sawstop well workers comp won't give you much for that finger average payout is 3-5,000 dollars
how do I know? my 2 yr old daughter had a 100lb bench vise fall off a shelf at our local tractor supply store and smash off her big toe and it got amputated at the first joint, the courts said it was worth 3,000.00 dollars plus doctor bills.
so in my opinion must be worth the gamble
"so in my opinion must be worth the gamble"
Sorry to hear about your little girl's accident.
With all due respect, let me ask you this.
If she could be spared the trauma, pain, and loss, would you pay someone $25,000 for it to never have happened?
That, to me, would be more like what it's worth. buic
I feel ya
For less than $25k you can just hire me to make the cuts for you <g>DC
"... if you have never had a car accident... "Driving a car or a boat is nothing like using a tablesaw so those are both just ridiculous comments."A good friend cut a fingertip off... "How could he not know what he did wrong? He sounds inexperienced. Any experienced carpenter who screws up knows immediately and precisely why.I shouldn't remind you of him, as I am nothing like that.DC
No that is the thing, he is extremely experienced. The shock of it happening made his brain go blank and he has no recollection other than standing by the phone and calling an ambulance. Of course we did figure out he was ripping a piece of plywood for a cabinet but couldn't figure out what went wrong or how his left hand was involved.
Hmm, that's pretty weird. Maybe he blacked out during the cut?I guess that fills in the .1% of times that it's not operator error.Put another point on the board for the SawStop.DC
How does a Saw Stop prevent you from getting kicked in the nuts (or close enough to be the same) from a kickback?
Now that would be a worthwhile feature. LOL
if you find out, let me know. took a kickback to the "groin" in college while ripping a piece of plywood- had to have surgery to make sure "everything was there and in the right place" Worst pain of my life...well, maybe made a little worse by having to get an ultrasound on my balls whilst in pain.
spoujnds like I was lucky compared to you. Just had to take a week 'off' for life to get back to nromal. Happened whilst in college as well.
You wear a steel cup and that will stop it instantly (the cup is wired to the Saw stop circuitry). ;-)
That shop had a Straight liner saw that when you operated it you had to wear a chicken plate/flack jacket (it could shoot slivers out that imbedded themselves in the wall insul. The shop foreman and I thought about using the spare for a little while, but I felt it was better to get back on the horse the way i was most comfortable.
Mea culpa. I still wonder though about the demonstrations I've seen where the device works when it touches a hot dog or finger. In those cases, the object is slowly pushed into the blade whereas in real life, the object [ my thumb ] was thrust VERY RAPIDLY into the blade. Has anyone seen such a test or know of an accident similar to mine?
You are really getting ripped on this one but I agree with you.
I have used table saws for almost 30 years and have the utmost respect for them and have no need for sawstop at the price.
The more safety devices we create the less sensible we need to be it seems.
For those who don't respect the tools they use by all means get the latest gadget.
People get struck by flying objects if they stand in the line of fire. I always stand offset to the blade so that in the event of something goofy happening its not my eyes or nads that get the shot.
s.
Thanks s, glad to see someone understands my point.I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings by calling them a weenie (like the ones used to demonstrate the SawStop <g> <sorry>) I just believe that everyone has a limit of safety; that is everyone stops feeling safe at a certain point. If they go beyond that point, then their own chnscienceness of being in unsafe territory makes the situation more unsafe. Does that make sense?Let me explain my basis.When I started out as a young carpenter, one of my early jobs was to set rafters at the top of a 23' (outside drop height) by 22' long 2x4 stud wall. The guy on scaffold in the center was to swing a 2x12 rafter out at me, I'd catch it and set the birds mouth on the plate and drop some toenails into it. I couldn't do it. When I tried to walk the wall, my knees would shake until they gave out and I had to sit on the wall and scoot. I told the boss I just didn't feel comfortable doing that job and he said it was fine and for that reason I shouldn't do it or anything I wasn't comfortable with and I got put on the scaffold instead.I can walk a wall fine now, but still use that old boss's advice. I never force anyone to do anything they feel uncomfortable doing; It just makes things more dangerous.So, in my opinion if someone is using a table saw that they are even slightly afraid of then they should immediately stop using that saw and get a safer one."The more safety devices we create the less sensible we need to be it seems."That is a great quote and has been the basis of my other arguments against SawStop.
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You are welcome.
I have seen enough accidents, close calls and the results of encounters with spinning carbide steel to observe that many people should never even be near this type of equipment and sawstop only saves them from that particular tool. There are so many tools in the shop and site that will bite if not one is not wary.
Perhaps there are too many DIY weekend warrior late entrants to power tool use types.
The emergency room doc's story makes me cringe all the more because he must have seen the results of these peoples efforts on a regular basis. I don't know whether to feel sorry for him or offer a symbolic slap upside the head for not keeping himself out of harms way.
When I use equipment I keep my wits about me and the tool gets all my attention and concentration.
Accidents don't 'happen' they always have a cause one way or another.
s.
Again, thanks s.Most tools and machinery should have safety devices built into them.Tablesaws are just the tip of the iceberg.I have noticed that there is also a BANDSAW now that has blade stopping technology.<ugh>I've heard more stories about circular saws ripping flesh than tablesaws.Why isn't there a CircularSawStop? Someone better get to inventing.How about a nail gun that senses skin?How about a lawn mower that senses when someone picks it up to trim the hedges?These things are all possible and there is probably a market for them willing to spend the extra money for the extra safety.I would rather keep my money and invest in practicing common sense.DC
Great examples.
Snorting coffee on keyboard not good.
Maybe we should reinvent humans that have a safety brain they can activate when the need arises or regrow lost and damaged appendages like geckos.
s.
If I may diverge from the 100% vigilant, uberperfect, mutual admiration society you guys having going on here I'd ask that you consider the definition of risk and risk management.
From an academic perspective we define risk as Likelihood of a bad thing happening times the impact of an event, balanced by the control effectiveness of mitigations in place.
DC, in your case with a traditional saw your likelihood is low, the impact is very high, and the effectiveness of your controls (pushsticks, featherboards, education) is moderate. Hell, you are so damn good that I'll even throw in a high here.
With a sawstop all of these remain the same EXCEPT impact ... it goes to very low. So in the event that something does happen the outcome is trivial. I am willing to spend $50 a year for that reduction in impact since even a few stitches carry high personal and financial impact (and I have great insurance).
And it is a damn good saw that set up perfectly, cuts like a dream, and looks awesome in the middle of my shop (the rest of my tools are jealous of it's smooth black outfit and flawless surface).
And I got a hell of a deal.
Threadjack over? If not, I'd ask that you open a new thread "Additional safety features are no longer needed since I am flawless and you all waste your money" and leave this gloatthread alone. I promise not to hop on your thread and start talking about the great deal I got on my new dust sheild.
Sorry about the threadjack, i had a bit of a hand in that. It's a great saw own merits without the safety features. Your risk management is dead on.
To all:Could we try not to get personal in our responses, here ?Every point I have seen made in this thread, could have been made, without anyone getting personal or 'snippy' about it.Thank you.=0)...You are always welcome at Quittintime
point taken Luka -
(nods respectfully ...)
or 'snippy' about it
Had not been going to add to this thread till now..... I thought the post that included the price was 'snippy', as a 'good deal' would have been with one less zero on the price <G>
Been using TS or RAS on a more often than weekly basis for over 50 years without an accident.........
did abought cut my thumb off once before that though.........ouch. Teenagers are NOT supposed to do freehand carving on a TS!
I thought I read something about that saw in the past. About some really expensive part of it that has to be replaced if the saw stop is activated. Even if it is activated accidentally.I'm thinking that regardless of how much, (as has been stated), "everyone NEEDS" this saw... A number considerably less than 'everyone' is going to -have- this saw, until the price makes its way into the real world......You are always welcome at Quittintime
I'm the guy, and a slap on the head is called for. I wasn't offended by Dreamcatcher's response. Everything in life has a risk/benefit ratio. I knew that and was careless and paid the price. I posted to let others know some factors that might go into a buying decision.However, it's not like the SawStop is a poor quality product that has a good safety feature. I've not used one, but from the reviews I've read, they are a good product. So, if you got the cash, I don't see a downside. Believe me, the dollars start ringing up fast once you hit my door. That doesn't even count the possible chronic impairment or disability. Just sayin'
Whoop-de-do about the saw. Whoop-de-do about the extras. Whoop-de-do about the beer. I am however, off the scale impressed with your better half giving you the thumbs up (pun intended) on the purchase. I would call her my better 5/8th's or maybe even my better 11/16th's. Woman of the year material. :-)
Constructing in metric...
every inch of the way.
holy hammer, I agree 100%. I was, to be honest, prepared for her to shoot the whole thing down. She has yet to cast a skeptical glance at any of my tool purchases, even when I have that guilty feeling in the gut when you KNOW you probably shouldn't have bought it.
To the threadjack about the cost of getting injured, I took ten stitches in my left thumb almost 20 years ago and there isn't a day that I don't wish that I could have just written a $2k check and not have it happen. Heck, I just had knee surgery and I have healed faster from this than I did my thumb. That HURT.
I am blessed with the means and opportunity to get a saw that I only fantasized about, and the difference between a Unisaw and my SawStop is the knowledge that me or my kids won't have to face a serious TS accicent. Well worth it.
I don't think you need the guage.
All you do is mark the tooth and use it next to the fence or whatever.
It's a tablesaw after all. Not a machinist's saw.
Will Rogers