Anybody got their translation chart handy. I trying to buy some coil nails online and I think in “d”, but they’re selling them in .099, .090…
jt8
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I was afraid that you were going to say they were selling for 0.99 apiece.
Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength. ~~ Eric Hoffer
That's a good one!!
everyone knows they sell 'em buy the penny
16penny=6 fer a buck
8 penny= 12 fer a buck
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Mr. T.
There's a steering-wheel in me pants and it's driving me nuts!!!
ya know, a while back I was on a weird job and didn't have some sinkers with me.
I stopped at a bigbox to get some stuff and thought I'd buy something like four sinkers to do the job as long as I was there.
I don't recall the per nail price but do rememeber it had shocked the daylights out of me enough that I would have refused to buy them out of principle except there was a line that had formed in back of me and I didn't want to create a hassle.
be buying solo nailsOr there is no charge for that storySomething like that
'Nemo me impune lacesset'No one will provoke me with impunity
Be wondering just how much money I have wasted in my life... Paying for stuff I didn't really want, or couldn't afford... Just because I didn't want to make a hassle for others in the line.LOL
Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength. ~~ Eric Hoffer
don't get too confused... what are you trying to buy for ( which gun )?
and what do you want to use them for ( subfloor , framing , sidewall sheathing )
don't get too confused... what are you trying to buy for ( which gun )?
and what do you want to use them for ( subfloor , framing , sidewall sheathing )
Needs two types at the moment: dieselpig's recommended 8d 2 3/8" rings for subfloor (instead of my usual 2.5" screws) and also some framing nails. Whether I get them online or at the lumberyard, I want them sitting there when the Hitachi coil framer shows up.
The 'framing nails' are for some new interior walls, replacement floor joists, and sistering joists (joists are sitting on the sill, not in hangers). I don't know if I'm SUPPOSED to buy different sizes for each job, but if I was pounding them with the Douglas, I'd probably use a 16d 3.5" for all 3 framing jobs.
Recomendations?
jt8
"The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools." -- Herbert Spencer
Hitachi & Bostich coil nails are usually interchangeable and i agree with DP about the 8d ring shank, for sidewall ( 1/2") we use 6d ring shank... but check code
for framing, hand nails , we only use 16d Hot Dipped Galv or 8d Hot dipped galv
for gun nail framing we use what's appropriate:
16d for triples
12d for doubles
10d for toe nails...... lots of framers use 10d for everything
8d for subfloor
and in framing nails , most lumberyards carry a generic brand ( like Stallion ) with their private lable on the box... this is what we usually buy
Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I'm wondering what you mean by doubles and tripples?
16d for tripples
12d for doubles
thanks
16d for triple 2x's
12d or 10d for doubled 2x'sMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I'm wondering what you mean by doubles and tripples?16d for tripples12d for doubles
He is talking about how many boards you are nailing together (2x4, 2x10, whatever). So using his formula, you'd need a 12d for nailing the double top plate together (two 2x4's in my case).
[edit] Looks like he already answered your question. Oh well.
jt8
"Obstacles are those frightful things you see when you take your eyes off your goals." -- Sydney Smith
Edited 2/2/2006 10:39 am by JohnT8
John,
Keep it simple.
We use 8D ring shank coils (.113) for sheathing, decking, and strapping.
We use 12D smooth shanks (.131) for all 2X to 2X connections.
Obviously, you need to ensure that whatever you choose satisfies your local code, but try to keep it as simple as possible.
With the exception of a few hand nails here and there (mostly me) and any exterior nailing, we frame house after house after house with just those two types of nails.
That nailer show up yet? Yer gonna love it. It's a Lamborghini compared to yer Douglas.View Image
Keep it simple.
That was my Douglas nail philosophy. For framing type activities, I had 16d 3.5" regulars and HD galvs. They make a neat noise as you pound them in. But I tend to use screws for a lot of stuff. Usually have about 20 kinds of screws laying about. No KISS principle there. But the current project has too much work, so have to pick up the pace...ergo the Hitachi framer and its smaller PC cousins.
We use 8D ring shank coils (.113) for sheathing, decking, and strapping.
We use 12D smooth shanks (.131) for all 2X to 2X connections.
Good 'nuff. I'll head over to the yard at lunch Friday and see if they've got those two sizes. If they don't, I'll try Amazon.
That nailer show up yet? Yer gonna love it. It's a Lamborghini compared to yer Douglas.
Shipped today (Thurs). Probably be here Monday. Be corrupted by Tuesday ;)jt8
"Obstacles are those frightful things you see when you take your eyes off your goals." -- Sydney Smith
We use 8D ring shank coils (.113) for sheathing, decking, and strapping.
2-3/8" .113 wire-coil ring shanks
Is that a special order item? Now granted, I DO live in the backwater of construction technology here in the midwest, but I haven't found them yet. 5 lumberyards, 1 supply house, 2 Lowes, 1 Menards. I've found them smooth, and I've found them in strips, but not both ring and coil.
The 3-1/4"x.131's weren't nearly so hard to find. jt8
"Take your life in your own hands, and what happens? A terrible thing: no one to blame." -- Erica Mann Jong
up to 7 lumberyards. Shoot, the last place didn't carry coil AT ALL! What kind of stone age area am I living in ?!
jt8
"Take your life in your own hands, and what happens? A terrible thing: no one to blame." -- Erica Mann Jong
John, you'll most commonly find the RS coil nails in the HDG variety, i.e., for decks/ siding.
However, look hard enough and you'll find the RS in a brite (non-galvy) variety.
BTW just to confuse you more, we use 2 1/2"x .131" coil nails for sheathing--basically equivalent to a full 8d common. We'll also use the .113's.
For framing (2x connections) we were using 3 1/4"x .131", but I've switched to 3" b/c of the pokings others have mentioned.
Jason Pharez Construction
Framing & Exterior Remodeling
Won't the lumberyards order them from their suppliers for you? I'm in DP's area and pretty much anything you want, they will get within a few days. I don't know where you are but this might help.
http://www.abccatalog.com/store/viewitem.asp?idproduct=5400512211
http://www.abccatalog.com/store/location.asp
BINGO! I hadn't even thought of ABC. We've got one here in town, but: 1. I always think of it as a 'roofing' supply, and 2. it is in a out of the way location, so its rare that I think of them at all.
Went over there today and they were able to order 5k rings for me. Should be in next week or the week after. I've got more than enough to keep me busy until then.
jt8
"Take your life in your own hands, and what happens? A terrible thing: no one to blame." -- Erica Mann Jong
Thanks, there's an ABC close to me too. Never thought of them for coil nails.
Nope, not a special order John. In fact I don't even specify the thickness when I order them... that's just what they always send me. Both the lumberyard and my tool/nail guy stock the same thing. Maybe the .113's don't satisfy code in your area so nobody stocks them? I dunno... just guessing here.View Image
We framed with .131 x 3-1/4 nails, and sheathed floors and walls with .099 x 2-3/8 ringshanks.
When I was buying/using my framing nailer, I had a spreadsheet for local suppliers.
In essence...
10d nails are 3" long and available in 0.113 and 0.131 shank dia.
16d nails are 3 1/4" long available in 0.113 and 0.135 shank dia.
16d nails are 3 1/2" long available in 0.113 and 0.135 shank dia.
Note that the first listing for 16d nails has them 1/4" shorter.
The shank diameter is a factor in getting "code work" approved or not approved. Some cities will fail "clipped head" nails, irregardless of shank size.
Checking first, with someone who will pass/fail your work, can mean the difference between a profit and a tale of woe.
Practice...'till you can do it right the first time.
In essence...10d nails are 3" long and available in 0.113 and 0.131 shank dia.16d nails are 3 1/4" long available in 0.113 and 0.135 shank dia.16d nails are 3 1/2" long available in 0.113 and 0.135 shank dia.
So the 8d is probably around .099. I'm about to pick up a case or two of 2-3/8" x .099 rings and some 3-1/4" x .131 's.
jt8
"Obstacles are those frightful things you see when you take your eyes off your goals." -- Sydney Smith
>> 099, .090 << sound like siding nails or something - nothing that would be used by a framer.
BTW - Don't get too hung up on feeling like you need the gun nails you shoot to be the same size as the hand drives you are used to. The reason being is that a frame (etc) that is constructed with a nail gun is always going to have significantly more nails then if they had been hand drives. Why? - because a proficient nail gun user can probably drive 4 gun nails in the time it takes to drive 1 hand drive. Of course I can't really say "always" since there is gonna be some hack who comes along and puts 1 nail in each end of a stud...
As far as Mikes comments about 10s or 12s for doubles, 16s for triples, etc, the idea is that if you used full sized framing nails - say 3 1/2", then whenever you nail two 2x4s together you have a nice little nail point sticking proud out of the other side which could be "cinched" but more often than not ends up being nothing but a job site hazard for workers to get hurt on. That's why many framing crews use all 10 or 12 penny nails for the actual frames. Also, I've used several frame crews that used 16d shorts.
To the novice, it may be shocking that an entire house might be framed with 10p nails... but once you try to separate a pair of studs that have been nailed together with 16 nails, the light bulb comes on... Personally I think it's fine just so that the nails used have the thicker shanks... .131 or greater. Like Diesel said though .113 x 2 3/8" RS for sheathing.
If you want nails for any kind of exterior use be sure and get the HD (hot dipped) galvi ones. As far as I'm concerned the electoplated ones are not good for anything except interior use.
Also, go to a big box and look at the gun nails. They may not have what you need/want, but at least you will get a good idea of the diameters.
As a little light entertainment, see the attached M/S Word doc about nail nomenclature history.
Edited 2/2/2006 7:25 am ET by Matt