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angle rough framing questions

svey | Posted in Construction Techniques on September 4, 2002 09:23am

I need to build a partition wall to separate my bedroom from the bathroom.  The wall comes off perpendicular but has a 45 degree angle after the first 6 feet.  How do I frame that to give good wood to lay the drywall.  Should I build the straight wall first and then butt the angle wall to it, placing the 2 x 4 as close to the angle as possible or should I rip the 2 x 4 to 45 degrees?

 

Tx for your input

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  1. Piffin | Sep 05, 2002 03:38am | #1

    Cut plates of both walls to 22.5° (I just learned the keyboard degreee thingy! He he!)

    Then rip two stud pieces at 22.5° to fit like this....

    Excellence is its own reward!
    1. JohnSprung | Sep 05, 2002 03:55am | #2

      > Then rip two stud pieces at 22.5° to fit like this....

      That little corner fill-in is just a nailer, so it could probably be done in one piece.  The back side that faces the inside of the wall doesn't have to be symmetrical, so two rips on a tilt arbor table saw should do the trick.  If you're doing double top plates, overlap them instead of mitering them.

      -- J.S.

      1. Piffin | Sep 05, 2002 04:15am | #3

        Right about overlapping top plates. I was thinking from the floor level layout and avoiding the void that his thought of butting a 45° into a 90° would've done. Thanks.

        But the way I show the nailers is easier for me to do because I set the table saw and do two of the exact same rip which are tacked to the stud before sticking it in like making any other corner stud assembly. Matter of preference only.Excellence is its own reward!

        1. DaveRicheson | Sep 06, 2002 03:28am | #8

          I make two rips on a 2x6 at 221/2 and nail then back to back. No filler needed and the dw guys love them.

          1. Piffin | Sep 06, 2002 04:39am | #9

            like this?

            Good idea. Twice the rips, half the nailing, more stable.Excellence is its own reward!

          2. Piffin | Sep 06, 2002 05:02am | #10

            Sorry about that attachment size

            Excellence is its own reward!

    2. 4Lorn1 | Sep 05, 2002 08:12am | #4

      Piffin - I've been looking for some way to make that degree mark. How do you do it?

      1. Piffin | Sep 05, 2002 08:43am | #5

        I just learned from another thread here at breaktime.

        Hold down the alt key and hit 0176

        Watch me practice the drill....

        °

        °

        °

        practice makes perfect!

        Now let's see you do it______________

        Excellence is its own reward!

        1. pm22 | Sep 05, 2002 10:40pm | #6

          º = Alt + 167

          ° = ALT + 0176

          These seem to look different. Alt 167 is faster.

          -Peter

          1. Piffin | Sep 06, 2002 02:27am | #7

            ° 0176

            º 167Excellence is its own reward!

            edit - this is intresting. Both look alike in the reply window here but when on the prospero display, ther do appear different

            Edited 9/5/2002 7:29:00 PM ET by piffin

          2. 4Lorn1 | Sep 06, 2002 06:56am | #11

            Piffin - Neat trick that. Thanks.I put "alt + 167" , I tried "alt + 0176" and didn't get much, and got a neat link.

            http://members.aol.com/MonT714/tutorial/ALTchrc.html

            After looking at the chart I remembered something similar. The old ASC II codes. A quick comparison shows they are almost, with some notable exceptions, identical. Hmm. I'm embarrassed that I didn't know this stuff before. I never knew that I could input ASC II codes into a document directly. Learn something new every day. Again thank-you.

          3. UncleDunc | Sep 06, 2002 07:15am | #13

            Last time I checked, the ASCII standard only defined a 7 bit code. There are more or less widely shared conventions and proprietary standards, but any value larger than 127 is not ASCII.

          4. 4Lorn1 | Sep 06, 2002 08:02am | #14

            My references, what a blast from the past, lists it in 8 bit, Hex value as "FF", or 255. With both a standard and IBM character set in evidence after 127. You are correct that the "low bit set" ends with 127 but the "high bit set" according to my reference and vague memory was still included in the ASC II standard. The low bit set is almost universally recognized and observed. The high bit set was proposed but only standard to Epson printers and Apple computers as a repeat or the low bit set in italics. IBM and many MS-DOS systems use the high bit set for foreign language and mathematical symbols.

          5. UncleDunc | Sep 06, 2002 07:11pm | #16

            You're right. There are a number of ANSI and ISO standards that extend ASCII to 8 bits. But I'm willing to pick a nit :) and insist that ASCII proper, that is ANSI X3.4-1986 (R1997), only defines a 7 bit character set.

            I also think they changed the name since the last time I checked. The title of the standard on the ANSI web site is "American National Standard Code for Information Interchange". Maybe I could start posting messages insisting that we should be calling it ANSCII.

            http://www.ansi.org/public/std_info.html

            Have you ever contemplated the fact that a Russian Uniform Standard Code for Information Interchange would be RUSCII?

          6. JohnSprung | Sep 07, 2002 02:16am | #18

            Back in my assembly programming days, the IBM extended 8 bit set with all the single and double line drawing characters was the de facto standard, so much so that we referred to the 7 bit version as the "half-ASCII" system.  ;-)

            Alt 167 = º here, but it was the same thing with a little underline in the IBM set.

            Alt 176 = _ here, it was a light shading block in the IBM set.

            Alt 0176 = ° here, but would have been the same as 176.

            Alt 248 = ° here, and it was the same thing in the IBM set.

            Alt 249 = • both here and in the IBM set.

            The Russians in those days, still Soviet, had three different variants on ASCII for doing the Cyrillic character set.  I took my old XT to Moscow with me in 1990, and gave it to a student who promptly burned a new ROM for the video board.  Computers are a lot less fun now, because you can't get your mitts on the works and do things like that any more.

            -- J.S.

        2. MisterT | Sep 06, 2002 01:17pm | #15

          Piffin your W is dripping!

                          º

                          º

                          º

                          º

          Ach so is mine!

          W is such a drip!

          DOH! did I type that out loud?

          Now I dun it.

          TDo not try this at home!

          I am a trained professional!

    3. Framer | Sep 06, 2002 07:08am | #12

      Piffin,

      On your first picture, I nail the same two studs like you but the middle I use one stud.

      If you measure from your 2x4 from the left side to the point you have 1 3/8"

      Mark 1 3/8" on your 2x4 set your saw at 45° and rip it.

      From that 1 3/8" mark, scribe another 1 3/8" mark, put your saw back at 90° run the table of your saw on the 45° and rip that.

      Hope I made myself clear, where you used two 22.5° rips I just used one stud.

      The Degree, theres a few different numbers but one is bigger then the other.

      °º

      First one I used  Alt- 504 ------ 22.5°

      Second----------- Alt- 167------- 22.5º

      Or

      °º

      First one Alt- 0176

      Second Alt- 679      

      Do you know ÷?

      Joe Carola   

  2. Satch | Sep 07, 2002 12:16am | #17

    Svey, Could you please post the degree keyboard thing. That has been driving me nuts for years. Thanks

    Mike

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