Hello all,
Long time reader of the threads, second time writer. (sound like the opening of the Mr. Obvious show on Bob and Tom) I love this place for finding info about carpentry techniques new and old. Am glad to have a great palce like this to learn.
I teach Construction/Carpentry at a small rural school in Mi and am hoping to show some good construction videos in class. I ahve all the Larry Haun videos and love the guy to death, but try very hard to impress upon the students safety and accuracy when they are first learning the trade. When Larry eyeballs his cuts with a saw its cool and all, but these kids are just learning how to read a tape and speed square. Im not saying that these kids wont be awsome carpenters some day… there just not ready for that yet.
I also paid out of my own pockett the Steve Peters roof framing videos (ouch) but have not found success there either.
I do the hands on stuff with the kids and let them build, but really like opening new units (floor framing, wall framing, roof framing, etc) with a video so the kids can see the whole picture. I just try to get them acclimated…(not sure if thats the right word)
Ok paulewog get to the point,
Do any of you guys have any video ideas, or know of a good series i could buy? The course revolves around residential construction.
Also i was wanting to show a fun and entertaining one with carpenters in for the holidays. The only one i can think of is multiplicity with Mike Keaton.(hi steve)
Thanks in advance for your responses and the wealth of knowledge provided here.
e-wog
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I like that movie with sean connery where the guy falls into the concrete,
...Mr Blandings Builds his Dream House....
.it's B&W with Cary Grant and Myrna Loy., very charming
I never tire of watching it
or the contemporary version ...The Money Pit..
Tom Hanks and Shelley Long
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If you ever delve into finish work, Gary Katz has some informative videos out, some in a series.
You can find out about them here
And why not give Gary a call, he's a contributor to FHB and JLC, hosts the finish forum at JLC, and is a presenter at several trade shows. He's a good teacher. And a good guy. He might be able to do your school a great deal on the package.
Best of luck.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
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second both of those
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I see your post count is 13? Huh? I mean, how can we trust you?
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I can't think of any beginning videos. I have a cool one of a BIG crew in San Diego setting the world record and building a complete 3/2 house on a bare lot in 2 hours and 48 minutes . . .
Forrest - I promise - that is a really big wink!
I would recommend "Holmes on Homes" He shows the crap that other 'contractors' did and redoes it right. I usually agree with his assessments. More of a good work ethic type show than a step by step.
http://www.amazon.ca/Holmes-Homes-Complete-First-Season/dp/B000B5UNFQ
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OK I am a pup compared to Piffin, but still.
Edited 11/14/2006 11:24 pm ET by reinvent
So what was your take on the roof framing videos? I almost considered buying them, just to see how he approaches the subject. Had toyed with the idea of producing a roof-cutting video myself at one time, but with the industry going over to truss roofs, cut-and-stack is becoming a dying art.
Can't think of any good ones myself - I racked my brain and its still out of plumb!
I don't think I've ever seen an entertainment-type movie that portrayed a carpenter or builder with anything even close to reality as I know it.
"...never charged nothing for his preaching, and it was worth it, too" - Mark Twain
My take on the roof framing videos is this...
Alot of times and I am very guilty of this my self we assume people already know a little about carpenrty. For instance I first started class with "Johnny run and get me a 2x4x12' " Well johnny came running back stating that all our boards were 1 point 5 by 3 point 5 by 144 and 7 little black lines. Its not that the kid was dumb, he just hasnt been taught yet. So i had to re-think my teaching a little bit. I bring that very basic examle into to discussion just to illustrate my point about thr roof framing videos. I'm not trying to suggest these videos show kids how to read a tape at all. What I'm suggesting is that the carps show a little on the how to's with the framing square, rafter tables, pythagorian theroem (spelling -5pts). It seems like these guys jump staight away into using jigs (made before video was shot) and tracing the pattern blocks onto rafter stock. Also they show production style rafter cutting techniques more than cutting with a sidewinder and finishing off with a handsaw. If i wanting a video on "how to cut a roof using production style roof cutting techniques" that would be the one.
What i was hoping to get was " how to calculate, figure rise,run,diag, ridge height, layout on rafter stock, and all the stuff im forgetting" Its not that i dont want to do it in class.... its just nice to have some "field verification" from the experts. Instead of some stupid teacher like me always preaching "hey your going to need to learn this math" That and to be honest i dont have the funds, tools, or ability to hold a 16 year olds attention for a 60 min lecture, on the importance of math in roof framing. PS unfortunatly sometimes i turn more into a math teacher than a trades teacher. I'm better at teaching vocational subjects.
Thanks for the great question, and hope my rambling made sense.
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It sounds like a good case can be made for the need for these videos, but I've never heard of ones like that.
It also sounds like you've got a good handle on exactly what your class needs to see; maybe you could storyboard it out, and pitch it to a local vid company, mabe get them to donate some reduced price time? Think the guys that do wedding photog in your small town.
Use the kids as actors, and then you'll have something for the next class, and maybe sell the videos on the web to recover the slight cost of filming.
I think this sounds like a cool plan, and addresses a real need! Anyone else out there think so, or that could do this?
Forrest
"Have the kids make their own movie"
Hey now were on to something, that would awsome to have the kids be the carpenters in the video, i could have the media lab kids set it up and shoot it. Give each student a portion of the video to "act". Steve has measuring, Joe has layout, Bill has calculations, frank has assembly.
Then we could pull it all together, and show it to the school. The kids would buy into cause they want to be on TV, and would learn it cause they are teaching it. (that and they would not want to look silly... well ok some would, but that would be kind of fun. I could show the video, (make it a spoof on "this old house"; I of course would be the dorky host dude that doesnt know much) to other schools to create interst in the program.
Mcdesign says, no videos... well make your own. Very cool man. Wish i would of thought of that. You Rock dude!
I found these online. They seem like what you are looking for.
http://www.constructionbook.com/construction-trade-videos/
Try approaching your local carpenters union. They have an apprenticeship program that does what you're trying to do.
They may have videos, or be willing to do a demonstration or field trip!
Just a thought... Buic