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   nathan_w | Aug 12, 2000 08:16am | #9

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   Saw a neat gutter at a lodge in the rainforest ( a real
   i rain
   forest)

   3/4" x 3" iron chain, hanging to the surface, to a field drain as above.

   lake is full of big fish

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   Guest_ | Aug 12, 2000 12:50pm | #10

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   Definitely add the gutters, the lower roof will quickly fail without them. (Saw this on 1 house where the water had gotten under the shingles and roofing felt, and not only rotted out the roof sheathing, but had rotted out the eave wall's top plate; I was able to look staright down the inside of the exterior wall!)

   Extend the downs all the way to the lower gutters, don't let that water wash across the lower porch roof; In most cases I see with an upper gutter downspout terminating at the top of a lower roof (where the roof is more than 10 years old, or so) the lower roof shows excessive wear below that downspout.

   I saw a 9 year house yesterday with that exact situation, and the lower roof (laminated shingles) was starting to show signs of early aging below the upper downs.

   I see this setup maybe 150 times a year, and would estimate that in 75% +/- of the cases, there's premature wear on the lower roof.

   Bob

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   Guest_ | Aug 12, 2000 02:39pm | #12

   *Bob Walker is correct.Once you have captured the water in a Gutter/Downspout system you keep it in the system all the way to the ground and/or drain.Here is a chuckle for you Bob.How many times have you seen a downspout elbowed out to drain water onto a lower roof and the elbow is a "B" elbow pointing the water SIDEWAYS across the roof.What a beautifull way to create a leak!Good Luck All,Stephen

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   Guest_ | Aug 12, 2000 02:39pm | #11

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   I have two roof valleys on a second story roof. The run off from these valleys (and the rest of the second story roof) lands on a porch roof. Do I need rain gutters on this second story roof to prevent the shingles on the porch roof from being worn out where the run off from the second story roof lands.

   The shingles are a dimensional ashpalt shingle. The second story roof is about 6 ft above the porch roof.

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   Guest_ | Aug 10, 2000 04:23pm | #1

   *I would say yes. My experience is limited, but I have seen this type of situation lead to leaks in what was otherwise still a good roof.Rich Beckman

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   Guest_ | Aug 10, 2000 07:02pm | #2

   *I'm with Rich (Hi Rich), for his reason and to minimize splash-back onto the siding. Water is bad. Move it away from your house quickly and in a controlled manner.

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   Guest_ | Aug 10, 2000 08:03pm | #3

   *Yes, As indicated above,it only makes economical sense. Remember, you can spend 50 bucks now or 1500 later on.Rain falling from 6 feet will wear a hole into solid concrete inside of a year so there's a good chance, you will have a leak inside of a year.Don't think about it, put in a rain gutter.Gabe

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   Guest_ | Aug 11, 2000 01:27am | #4

   *Gabe...you're histerical....A hole in your head maybe...Gutters if ya like gutters...near the stream surviving for centuries without them,aj

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   Guest_ | Aug 11, 2000 02:46am | #5

   *AJ, as usual, a post without a point. Gabe

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   Guest_ | Aug 11, 2000 04:57pm | #6

   *I'd install a gutter run to the upper roof; I'd bring a 2x4 section of downspout against the wall and have it terminate at the roof line of the porch. The water will fan out and end up in the porch run of gutters, and thenceforth in the ground.As Gabe and AJ suggest, there is some dispute as to whether they are necessary. They are not, but if you chose not to install them, you will have to have a fairly wide overhang (to get the water as far outside of the building footprint as possible) and should install a perimeter surface drain system (perforated ABS/French Drain) unless you have well drained soil (sandy, great perc test) and no basement. Hardscape along the perimeter (gravel concrete) also helps divert the falling water outside the perimeter.These "buts" are fairly significant, and while life without the hassel of gutters is possible, extra thought and care is necessary.

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   Guest_ | Aug 12, 2000 05:19am | #7

   *All I can say is if you build in a pond, build a houseboat.near the stream, raining all summer, no gutters, dry full basement,aj

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   nathan_w | Aug 12, 2000 08:13am | #8

   *Saw a neat downspout at a lodge by a lake in the rainforest ( a real i rainforest)3/4" x 3" iron chain, hanging to the surface, to a field drain as above. lake is full of big fish