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   GCourter | Dec 28, 2002 02:00am | #1

   I don't know of any others in a double hung, double sliders swing in like doors.  Why do you find the tilt in double hung dangerous?

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   JMartindal1 | Dec 28, 2002 02:46am | #2

   the sashes will be over 3' tall, and 3' wide...75 lbs. or more. A bit much for many women to handle when cleaning; easy to drop/break.

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   MarkH128 | Dec 28, 2002 02:53am | #3

   I believe a sash that size would be much lighter than 75 lbs. I haven't seen any that open doorstyle either.

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   JMartindal1 | Dec 28, 2002 03:05am | #4

   my Norandex supplier said it would be bout that.... he concurred that would be a bit unweildy, unsafe.

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   MarkH128 | Dec 28, 2002 03:37am | #5

   Maybe they can eliminate the tilt feature if it's dangerous. I bet a few windows have been broken while being tipped in for cleaning.

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   Piffin | Dec 29, 2002 12:42am | #6

   I can't seee why they would be easy to drop. Most I'm aware of - they stay in the frame and pivot in at the top. Only half the weight is ever in the hands of the cleaning woman. She doesn't have to handle it as a free weight..

   Excellence is its own reward!

   "The first rule is to keep an untroubled spirit.

   The second is to look things in the face and know them for what they are."

   --Marcus Aurelius

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   GCourter | Dec 29, 2002 08:07pm | #8

   Yes, a wood sash may be that heavy but a vinyl sash is not.  I have 32x33 sash in my windows and my daughter can clean them.  I will weigh a sash later today and let you know how much they are.  Remember it is on a pivot so you are not lifting the entire sash,  Happy Holidays.

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   Piffin | Dec 29, 2002 08:14pm | #9

   Most of the weight is in the doubled glass.

   Excellence is its own reward!

   "The first rule is to keep an untroubled spirit.

   The second is to look things in the face and know them for what they are."

   --Marcus Aurelius

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   TommyB12 | Dec 29, 2002 11:46pm | #10

   I know of at least one manufacturer that makes a center pivot tilt in window.  That negates the effect of the weight.

   I'm not sure your weight concerns are valid however.  A vinyl window of that size would probably weigh 75# total.Tom

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   GCourter | Dec 30, 2002 08:06pm | #12

   36 X 36 sash, 3/4" insulated glass weighs 31 lbs.

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   GCourter | Dec 30, 2002 08:08pm | #13

   36 X 36 sash with 3/4" insulated glass weighs 31 lbs.

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   JMartindal1 | Dec 30, 2002 09:15pm | #14

   thanks much for the weight

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   JeffBuck | Dec 29, 2002 12:11pm | #7

   I know the animal is out there.......can't remember the brand of the top of my head.

   I'll try a search.......but there is a side swing double hung in existance....think it may be fairly new to the market.

   Jeff

   Buck Construction   Pittsburgh,PA

    Fine Carpentery.....While U Waite                  

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   JMartindal1 | Dec 30, 2002 04:20am | #11

   Thanks, Jeff. Are you thinking of Thermal Swing? They are the only ones i can find... and they seem to want to keep everything in house.

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   JohnSprung | Dec 31, 2002 02:54am | #15

   Since you're replacing the windows and you want ones that swing, why not simplify it by getting rid of double hung and going with casements?

   -- J.S.

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   Piffin | Dec 31, 2002 05:01am | #16

   Not a bad idea. Norco is pushing some casements with an applied grill of muntin work and heavier center bar to make it look from a shgort distance like a doublehung. don't know if it goes as a replacement unit though.

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   Excellence is its own reward!

   "The first rule is to keep an untroubled spirit.

   The second is to look things in the face and know them for what they are."

   --Marcus Aurelius

   Edited 12/30/2002 11:18:20 PM ET by piffin

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   Lateapex911 | Jan 04, 2003 12:19pm | #27

   And Marvin has the same capability....Jake Gulick

   [email protected]

   CarriageHouse Design

   Black Rock, CT

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   JMartindal1 | Dec 31, 2002 05:38am | #17

   IMO it is too tall for casements, and the house is in a semihistorical district...would like to keep present lines.

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   TJMalbouef | Dec 31, 2002 07:27am | #18

   My neighbor had some new Pella double hung windows installed, with the tilt-in sashes. If I recall correctly, the counterbalance cables stay connected at the top edges. This allows the counterbalances to continue doing their job, while the window is tipped in for cleaning. So, the cleaning person (whoever they may be) does not have to muscle anything around.

   On a recent trip to Germany, I noticed some interesting windows in the hotel room. They could pivot into the room in two different ways. One way would pivot about an axis through the bottom edge of the window, allowing the top of the window to be open up to 12", for ventilation. The other way allowed the window to pivot as a door, with side hinges, allowing the window to open fully into the room. Colleagues informed me that these windows are also standard in the homes there. When closed, they latched and sealed very securely. Has anybody seen these in the states?

   --TJM

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   JMartindal1 | Dec 31, 2002 10:30pm | #19

   Thanks, TJM

   The German windows sound just like what I am looking for. But, the Pella may work also....will ck w/ pella. Thanks again.

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   TommyB12 | Jan 01, 2003 12:58am | #20

   Pella is what I was referring to earlier with the center pivot sash,  I think you have to go to the top of the their line to get it.

   I didn't want to give them the plug.Tom

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   JMartindal1 | Jan 01, 2003 01:17am | #23

   thanks tommy. emailed them.

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   BillHartmann | Jan 01, 2003 01:08am | #21

   It is called Tilt-turn windows.

   There are at least 2 US manufactures that make them, maybe more.

   http://www.kolbe-kolbe.com/press_releases_magnumtiltturn.shtml

   http://www.hhwindows.com/tilt-turn-windows.html

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   JMartindal1 | Jan 01, 2003 05:26am | #24

   Thanks, Bill. Definately gives me some options.

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   TJMalbouef | Jan 03, 2003 05:48am | #25

   Thanks for the links, Bill. Maybe these are available in the Detroit area. I'll try to find out.

   --TJM

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   vasalesman | Jan 03, 2003 04:32pm | #26

   Marvin, http://www.marvin.com, also makes a tilt-turn. 

   Al

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   pnuematicman | Jan 01, 2003 01:08am | #22

   Pella  Precision Fit are a center pivot double hung. Nice window with a wood interior but a little pricey and check exsisting jambs for plumb before ordering

   Edited 12/31/2002 5:11:23 PM ET by PNUEMATICMAN

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   DavidBarDov | Jan 04, 2003 12:57pm | #28

   These windows are known as "drei keep"; they open either as inswing casements or hopper style.  People seem to like them here in Israel, and many of the aluminum windows are produced with this feature.  The German companies I have seen sell these windows without insect screens, and are not clad externally.  I have seen them in stained pine or mahogany, and come with interior trim applied.  They are not as wide as a 2X4 wall, and have to be finished to the exterior, similar to the detail in masonry construction.  I don't ever like inswing windows, as they take up room space and never seem to be secure against winds.  If pressed, I can come up with the name of the German manufacturer.

   David Bar-Dov