Elliptical dome, elliptical coffer trick
On shallow ellipses, the method of using two foci and a loop of string does not work. The stretch of the string will lead to inaccurate results. Even dacron, steel, graphite, and others have too much stretch.
Recently, I faced the task of creating an elliptical dome in an elliptical shaped coffer. The opening for the coffer was 9.5 feet on the short axis and 19 feet on the long axis. The elliptical dome inside this coffer was only 11 inches high. We couldn’t get any kind of line to work with traditional methods. Here is what we did.
First I drew the ellipse in autocad. I wanted 64 ribs for the shape so I used autocad to segment the elliptical line into 128 segments. I deleted every other one including the minor and major axis. This gave me four identical sets of 16 ribs. I simply needed 16 patterns. I used autocad to derive the length of each of these sixteen segments from the segment point on the edge to the center point.
Once I had the lengths of the ribs, I used autocad to create an ellipse with a minor axis of 11″ and a major axis of each of the the rib lengths. After I had created the 16 ellipses, I quartered them. I now had the shape of my 16 ribs. I added a horizontal and vertical axis line. On the horizontal axis line, I added six inches in width to each shape so that it would not come to a long sharp point. More on that later. I then nested them together inside a rectangle that was six feet wide and 48 feet long.
This is where the fun part starts. I took the electronic file to a sail shop that makes sails for sailboats. They had a computer controlled cutting table. They rolled out a sheet of reinforced mylar on the table and fed in the electronic file that I supplied them. The machine then cut out our sixteen patterns. I took these back to the job.
We used 1 1/8″ plywood for the ribs. We layed the patterns out, subtracting back out the six inches that we added for strength. Then we just spray painted a stencil of the pattern onto the plywood. We made four of each pattern and then fastened them into place.
For the center, I determined that I could use an ellipse of a certain size that I figured out mathmatically. I cut this out of 3/4 plywood and the size of it allowed me to zip off each rib to butt into it. The cut ends were 1″ thick and the shape just flowed into the 1/4″ difference in thicknessbetween that and the 3/4″ plywood center. The finish will be done in plaster of course. The 3/4″ center ellipse section was about 34″ long and 17″ wide and I had the computer cutting machine cut it out and lay out the segments in pen from a layout that I included in the electronic file. The machine can use either a cutter or a pen.
The autocad work took me 45 minutes. The cutting machine took another 45 minutes. Making and installing the ribs to two men two days. The frame was too pretty to cover. I thoroughly enjoyed developing the method and executing it and when we were done we just through the patterns in the dumpster. I really doubt that I will be asked to do this again and if I did the dimensions would be different.
Traditional methods are fine but developing new methods that work better are at least as fulfilling.
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Wow! Nice job using your tools!
What did the sail shop charge for use of their device?
Rebuilding my home in Cypress, CA
Also a CRX fanatic!
The mylar is kind of expensive. Their charge was 325$.
Ray I saw you started a new thread so I posted this again This is the kind of discussion I really like.
Sounds pretty cool. Although I dont' know how to use autocad. . . yet. I never said anything about using a string and nails to describe the elipse. a simple method of describing an elipse was taught to me some years ago. This approach will give you a quarter elipse, simply reflect it to get a half and reflect again for a whole and you will be able to describe an elipse of any size. I think any good carpenter should be able to produce this in the field. I post this in hopes that someone picks it up. Any elipse has a travel distance - run, and a rise. Snap a line on the floor and make a line square to it. Now measure and mark the run on one and the rise one the other. Now divide the run into X number of equal parts one to two inches per part. Now divide the rise into the same number of equal parts.. When your done you should have the run line ticked off lets just say 24 ticks one inch apart for a 24 inch run, and the rise of say 10 inches ticked 24 times also omes out to .416, rounded down, or 7/16 light. I figured that on a calculator but in the feild I use dividers. OK the connect the line closest to the axis on the run to the one farthest away on the rise, the the second closet on the run to the second farthest away on the rise., and so on. You will see the quater elipse appear and described. so that it can be jigsawed for a pattern, and used for construction in the method you described. This method again is probably not as accurate a autocad but I can produce this any time I'm on a job in the matter of minutes, same with the method I described above for finding a circles center with anly a chord an amount of rise. You obviously don't need advice, but others amoungst us might. I am just trying to share methods that have allowed me to do some pretty cool work in the past. Thanks
Edited 6/16/2005 6:07 am ET by quicksilver
Great idea for doing the framing quickly and accurately. How about some pics of the work as it progresses?