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I have a friend who consumes FWW like I consume
FHB.I showed him one of my Marples 1 inch
chisels that I gouged a pretty good nick in on
a sinker. He nearly passed out,than when I showed him how the handle was messed up from smacking it with a 21 ounce hart decker he vowed not to speak to me again. He showed me a lamp stand he worked on for six months. I told him it was nice but to me a greater thing of beauty was the 2500 sq. ft.
two story we knocked out in 275 man hours. He told me I was only slighty refined from Cro-magnon
status and gave me a wooden mallet to use on my chisel. I don’t know about chisels but my old
labored said it worked great on beer cans.
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Blue;
We did have a good system but it was also
over a slab and we only had to sheet the corners.
The lathers finished the rest and it was about the
twentieth model like that we built. Now I'm a few
years older and 20 pounds heavier and have lost
the desire to put large sums of money in my
employers pocket . He told he he was hurting for
money so i worked harder, than he built a new
house and i worked harder, and a boat, etc etc.
etc. After 4 years I finally caught on. Now I
work for Me. No employees yet but when I do I got
the sys
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Ah, you have learned the system of being a successful employer. I.e. get people to work harder than they would like to for less than they are worth. Very good.
Dennis
*I have brie and I am going to visit Fine Woodworking. I cannot bring sherry, however, because, here in the South, you are absolutelyi notallowed to drink sherry unless you are an 80-year-old woman, are sitting on the verandah, and are drinking the sherry from a china teacup that goes back to your forbears who came over on the Mayflower.Maybe the lovely, refined persons at FW will talk of things besides hermaphrodites and masterbation.I certainly willi nottell them what I do withi mychisels, lest I be confused with the heathen group on this board.Miss Magnolia
*Honey, I'm home!There wasn't any damn cheesei orsherry. And I was nice. And I don't know why. Dangerous. It's dangerous over there. Must be the rarefied air.Patty
*There was still a can of cheese whiz in the fridge, I think it was behind coconut milk for the pina coladas.
*Patty - isn't that something? Like time travel or something, it's kind of mellow and peacefull over there. scary - yb
*Us carpenters have no need for that sissy stuff over at FW knots, they don't even let you pick your nose when your typing! Showering, wearing deodorant... who needs it!!
*The wordi boringcomes to mind. . . I can't see any of those guys NOT listening to Kenny G , despite their protestations, and Led Zep?? Yeah right. . . the musak version!! LOL
*Fiyo, you are an enigma to me, sometimes I think I have you figured out and then you're talkin' "Zen" treatment for wrists. You seem nice, then you bite, ;). What gives. This whole arguement reminds me of being back in a fraternity. Those b-stards hang out with all the babes in threads, but we're tight with the cooking babes and we got the best little sisters, right fiyo? no offence, I mean little sisters in the best of fraternity sense, if there is or was fraternity sense.
*I bite... J.D., I gotta think about that...It's hard to get over the "nice girls don't act like that" stuff that most women were raised believing... of course, I never really bought into it.; )Here's some more "zen-type" stuff for ya, J.D.: None of us are "nice;" none of us are "mean." You may substitute good/bad, stingy/generous, and so on. We all have a shadow side (more Jungian stuff), the side that we pretend is not a part of us: the side that envies our friend's good fortune; the side that momentarily wants to cheat on our spouse, even though we value our marriage and love that spouse; the part that acts smug around those (who we perceive) are less intelligent or knowledgable than ourselves. Well, guess what, this nasty parti isus, big time. We work on "killing it off," then it rears its ugly head again, and we think, "My God! That's not like me at all!" Well, it is exactly like us. And the minute we forget it, it reminds us. So, if we are to be real (take that any way you want), we have to accept the ugly parts along with the nice parts. The difficult thing is not to go to extremes. You know that voice in your head when you screw up? The one that says, "You idiot, can't you do anything right? What were you thinking!?" That's the shadow side bitching because it hasn't gotten enough attention. So tell it to shut up, and remember to acknowledge it in positive ways. Like, "So, I made a mistake. I'm not completely awful, and I'm not completely wonderful." Then move on.I don't know what the hell I just wrote. But it's been something I've been working on for years, and it has made life easier. TMI?
*What a cheesy hammer! I'd whack myself too if I swung that piece of doggie doo doo!Blue
*i NOWwhat will FWW think of us!? That is the most disgusting, cheesiest, frigging photo I have ever seen! Take it off, take it off!Patty, who isi notsqueamish, having raised three active childrenb butwho believes there is a proper time and a place for viewing bloodshed (like when you have to go to the e.r.)
*Hey Sean,Is there a way to mark this thread as R rated for violence and bloodshed? Did we really need that?Yeah, Yeah, I know. I don't have to look!Rich Beckman
*Hmm. . .lets see . . . post #19 is out of order, posts 19, 19.1 and 20 refer to a cheesy hammer, blood and gore and squeemish-ness . . ergo there musta been a juicy hammer and blood pic that got deleted. Having been posted sometime before 11:37pm yesterday and deleted after 6:22 this morning. . . musta been the i good taste policeagain. . . wonder if Fred posted the pic???
*Let's see, cheese whiz and vienna sausage, hmmmmm, that would call for a new sauvignon blanc......
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Folks,
Nothing like a good flame war, but I must say that the Geeks have better ones. They get into some down 'n dirty hairpulling hissies.
I took a collected some of the better bits on that FWW thread. Far too civilized for a real flame war. Remonstrance is more like it.
Quick Framer Couth Test
How many framers know the correct temperature for serving brie? (Don't all answer at once.)
Looking at their posts, I suspect some of the gentlecraftspersons over at Knots might be be slightly envious of Breaktime's manly framers with their big tools.
You have to sit at home sanding on that salad bowl. He gets to frame 2 -story wall section, play with the all-terrain forklift, 30' laminated beams and other fun toys.
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Here are some of their better posts and constructive suggestions:
"Why don't they start making tape measures for carpenters, you know, ones that don't have anything less than 1" increments.
You know what "Fine Woodworking" means to a carpenter don't you? using AC plywood.
Know how you call a carpenter? snap open a beer can.
Well, I been both too. Carpenters get more chicks, man! Big toolbelts, screwguns in holsters, studs....
And here we stand with a six inch ruler. A guy who worries about 64ths must be like, really short of, uh, confidence if you know what I mean...
I have a good friend who has raised six lovely daughters. They have all married high level execs, doctors, lawyers, etc. He said to me one day as we were fishing "I just wish one of them would have married a decent auto mechanic." My friend can do his own carpentry.
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They need our hugs and reassuances. We'll be there for you. We're counting on you to keep us from furnishing the place with partical board furniture. :-)
ToolBear - What's this 64th stuff they're talking about? It's not on my tape.
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Like beer and plywood. OSB is about as high class as I get.
Dennis
*Dennis but the OSB doesn't flame finish like AC ply does
*Is there an echo here? Or did I hit the wrong bookmark?I do hope you wiped your feet when you came over, ToolbearOh, the Ripple and velveeta are on the way.Geek
*PictureS of what consenting adults do to themselves deliberately. The first picture showed two toes removed with a chisel.The second showed a finger just removed with a chisel, the blood was included. Compared to the rest of the site where they came from they were in very good taste, even though they were very uncivilized. The deletion will just whet everyone's curiosity.
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Ripple would be fine.
Recherche we are not.
I trust you sniffed the cap when the wine steward presented it to you. I am enjoying a Miller - but no framers appeared when I popped it.
Must say they are right. ACX is fine woodworking at this end of town - or a perhaps a select grade of grain-matched OSB paneling. (Hey - they did that in the very Yuppie REI flagship store in Seattle. Varnished it too. Worked well. Store is a Must See if you are up there. Even has parking.)
The correct answer to the brie question is:
"Who cares. I buy that Pepper Jack cheese from Costco."
I do worse - I melt it on blueberry bagels. The Frau frowns on that - something about a crime against cuisine.
ToolBear - Who will eat anything but his broccoli.
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Toolbear, I'll take one of those tapes that only have inches!
And i don't use ac ply! too wimpy!
*Tool Bear,What kind of wine goes with possum? We'll show those Knots guys good cuisine.Ron
*Ron, that question belongs over on Cooks Talk the Fine Cooking side of things. From my experience (having eaten food cooked by a Canadian,) the answer will be greatly dependant upon the origin (shoulder, driving lane, center divider ) and ageing ( carbon dating ) of said Possum. As in most ventures, preparation is everything.
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Wine with Possum
Possum & tatters?
Try a burgundy. That should make the meal memorable in a number of ways. But try to find an estate-bottled burgundy with a screw cap. Corks belong to the Knots.
If it's not a good possum, a well-fortified red - koolaid and vodka.
ToolBear - Ursus egregious
*"Snap open a beer can" !!!! Some of us will take exception to that! Do they think we can be bribed with ##$$%!!#$# Americade (or Canadacade, depending on your side of the border)? Now for the dulcet tones of the soft flurp-soos of a nice stout from a tap, well, everyone has their limits. George, Mike, Patrick and Adrian, I think those guys need to learn about REAL beer...Ah, its good to be back in the "real" world... have a great weekend. Thirstily, Lisa
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Nothin tops a good possum and Boones Farm burp and belch fest.
Near the stream, ate my last local possum. gonna have to import Canadian,
J
*JackWe don'ts got no possum hereabouts. . . You got any over there Adrian??. . . got tons 'o roadkill porcupine though. . .shall I ship ya some???
*Patrick,If your far enough down the road as you stop to pick up your next roadkill cuisine, just put it on top of the manifold for the rest of your trip...stop once to turn and when you arrive, just dig in and enjoy...Make sure to skin all your porcupines carefully.Near the stream, quills no longer needed...got's a keyboard now.J
*Don't knock possum 'til you've tried it! Anybody ever seen that road-kill cookbook?My daddy believed in beach-kill - we once ate a swordfish that washed up on the sand... my mama didn't eat it of course; she was one of them real picky yankees.
*Tain't nothin finer than fresh road-kill; just be sure to knock the guts out of 'em real quick or it gets a tad gamey - - fast! What a waste to let a ring neck pheasant spoil. You have all heard of pheasant under glas, but, how about pheasant under tire?Around here you can get just about as much white tail as you could want, especially if you are not too picky about how fresh it is!
*SimonWould that be deer you're referrin' to or. . . naw, I'll leave that one alone. . .
*ever tried Irish possum? They call it opossum.
*Patrick, noooo possuums. In fact, Cape breton island is OFICIALLY totally skunk free. Believe it or not.Living practically varmint free, Adrian
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You mean O'possum. Not to be confused with MacPossum, which is the featured dish at that fake food monstrosity.
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I worked My way through high school in a french resturant(sp) possium is a white meat much like pork so I would suggest a white or a blush wine. I do subcribe to fww but hang out here because I learn more like not using a jig for every thing. I do hate people using my chisels to trim drywall,concrete, ect.
*He really means O'Possum
*Stubby, chisels come, chisels go... but a Slick, now that's a thing of beauty.
*Some people can get a little snippy over there, (Knots) it can be amusing however, sort of like watching Frasier and Niles go at it. That's why sometimes refer to it as "Snots".
*Pretty sad when a Canadian has to teach you guys about proper roadkill etiqette.You go out in the evening and you draw a chalkline around all the semi-flat creatures that you find on your assigned route.The next morning you go harvesting any animal that doesn't have a chalk outline, this guarantees freshness.Just remember to get out there early, because now that the secret's out, there will long lineups on the highway.GabePS If you're a gourmet cook, you may want to check out your local book store, seems like a fellow in New Bruswick has published a book on cooking roadkills.
*I'm not so sure we can teach a dog to suck eggs, Gabe , or whatever the hell the saying is. Doesn't Vermont sell it's roadkill?Skunk free in CB, Adrian
*Hi Adrian,No, Vermont had to stop selling all their road kills because the State govt was caught subsidizing the harvesters. This was in direct violation to the NAFTA agreement regarding free trade.The only reason Cape Breton is skunk free is because they couldn't get their blood alcohol level up high enough to qualify for resident status.Catch you laterGabe
*hey Patty - my 18 year old son with a really dark sense of humor (gets it from his mom) left this on the table. More like a menu;The Roadkill Cafe - Pitbull Pot Pie, Poodles+Noodles, Opossum Blossom, Squirrel Suprise, Kitty Cat Coccoa, Great Dane Danish.now I'm thinkin' that "Squirrel Surprise" might be fun, huh?gettin' prouder of that kid every day - yb
*OK, OK, check this out for uncivilized. I was just over there amongst the "knotheads" and some well meaning young woodworker is asking for advice about applying polyurethane to his "first project" (nice young fella, earnest, you can tell). So anyway, some of the veterens over there (including Scooter I might add) are giving advice and out of NOWHERE in chimes a gal talking about RIPPING OFF HER PANTY HOSE! I kid you knot!
*Brie any one?Brandy?Lee
*Roquefort, with ssnifter of Remy Martin s'il vous plait!!!
*Surely you are not proposing the brie and Remy with the panty hose? I think smoked salmon with an oaky Chardonnay would be more apropriate!
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Must be the framer's influence on this forum. Have seen some comments in FWW regarding the discussions here. Geez - imagine that. Well, I don't lurk there much anyhow.
Dennis
Feeling Blue
*Thank you!Blue
*What does he mean by "Feeling Blue" and why are you thanking him? Just to show civility?
*Well I go visit them once in a while and each time there's a question regarding something that none of them have a clue about. As a dedicated FH reader, I know the answer and politely fess up.One question concerned concrete slabs and another had to do with bending crown molding (which FH had a nice article about recently). Honestly, I do my best not to let on that I'm uncivilized...FOL, (farting out loud)Dan
*Well, that could be me Dennis is talking about. For crying out loud, someone was asking about framing nailers, so i directed them over here, but i warned 'em. By the way, Blue, they all agree with me about blocking.
*Nah, it was the FallFest'99 content that convinced them we were Cultural Neanderthals. All that talk about Dwarf Tipping, and Cow Tossing... Not to mention Golf, Piracy, Flamewars, et al.
*AdrianAt the risk of forfeiting that lobster, I suspect they all agree with you about blocking because none have everi builthouses. . . they are all specialists. . . just as, to me, both you and Bleu are, albeit at opposite ends of the process. . . me, I do it all on my projects, from footings forms through to the last finishing nails, and I've always done both my own framing and kitchen cab installs (sometimes having also built the cabs) and I've never needed blocking for kitchen uppers, or for crown moulds (preferring to install ripped, chamfered nailers over the d/wall). I don't qualify for Bleu's minimalist framing club, but I don't i block it to deatheither.
*I was over there and tried to post that I thought Norm was the best. I got tangled in the posting web. Anyway, Norm is their Bob Villa. Bring him up and watch them start bitching about how he smears glue around. Don't let them abuse you, poke them with a stick and watch them explode.
*All that talk about the fest might have convinced em for certain George, but Adrian's right - he got them thinkin' that way in the first place. He inadvertantly led me over there one night and I read it myself. "...you might post that over at FHB, but beware, they are not quite as GENTEEL over there." Or something like that. and here I quit spittin' and swearin'
*JD, they miss the fact that Norm* has most of his bones tied up in Glue Stock. When the stock price dips, he doubles up on the next episode's project... and allows the exponential factor of viewership to reverse the market trend. Waaaay Shahp, ayuh. Regulah Yankee.* REAL Yankee's would pronounce this name as: Nahm
*Is uncivilized bad?On a brief visit I too saw their anti-Norm thing. They basically thought a carpenter shouldn't be doing, ahem, woodworking. A snob thing? Does anyone here have anything to be snobby about?
*. . . uh I guess this isn't the same Norm/Nahm who used to belly up to the bar at Cheers. .. oh yeah, he was a sort of would be painter decorator type,. . . maybe he's the Norm over on the Martha page
*Possibly most carpenters shouldn't venture into woodworking, but remember, Norm isn't just a carpenter, he's a MASTER carpenter, uh, cahpentah...
*Yeah, what is it with this master stuff? Can't they just say he's a "good" carpenter? But I imagine there are all those viewers out there with their shiny (never used) complete sets of Craftsman tools who eat it up. (I do like their wrenches.)
*It's an old term that used to have some relevance. Just like a i journeymanused to be a post apprenticeshiprequirement to wander the countryside offering your new found skills to whomever for room and board for a year or more, after which you could join a guild and hang out your shingle. . . at what stage after this you could then call yourself a i masterI don't know
*After three years of only ABC for television reception, last week I picked up and installed a DirecTV satellite dish. The first day I was flipping channels to check reception on the various transponders and came across a "home" show where one old guy is referred to as "Super Handyman" whatever his name was. Didn't stick with the show, so I don't recall the show or channel, but it was a DIY-type program. "Super", "Master", I've gotta get on air so the announcer can proclaim "Now let's see how Average Hack Mongo is doing on the light bulb installation..."I haven't seen TOH or Norm's woodworking show in about 4 years, but I've gotta say, Norm never bugged me. He seems like a guy who's just happy to be where he is, and grateful for it. Some techniques may be flawed, but he's preaching to the masses...and they love it.
*does holding a childhood grudge against your sister count as being snobby?...cause she always got more stuff than me...
*I like Nahm, and he ought to be happy where he is, he's got the greatest job in the world.
*Look, you guys, I hang out over there at FWW. What we would really appreciate is if you'd wipe off your feet coming in, bring some decent wine or sherry to compliment the soft cheese instead of that beer and HIT THE SPITOONS! And PLEEAASE, drink without slurping and hold your pinkies straight.Oh, and comb your hair and stand up straight.
*Sherry who?
*I like your approach Adrian, especially about the champfered nailer. That's how I would do it to.I am a minimalist, but you cant blame me. Many years ago, I bought into the enviormental preservation thing, and I just think that it is up to each and everyone of us to minimize waste.Your granchidren are counting on you!Blue
*The old craftsmen wrenches were better.Blue
*I like the "old yankee carpenter". He amazes me, whipping out bent chairs with no electrical tools in a half hour show!He actually sweats, and gets out of breath!Blue
*I'm glad you didn't mention brushing your teeth too!Blue
*Here is some trivia on the 'Master' thing.In the old country, the term applied to a journeyman who had attended what was basically a business school for two years following his apprenticeship, teaching him how to run a shop (I am more familiar with the cabinetmaking tradition, but carpentry and the other trades ahd similar arrangements). He also had to make one piece to show he knew the hands on stuff; his 'masterpiece'. Then and only then was he allowed to operate a business. Here is the trivia thing. The only place in North America where the term can be literally, technically applied is Alberta, Canada. A lot of German prisoners of war ended up there during WW II, liked it, and moved there after the war, bringing the traditional apprentice, journeyman, master system with them. I trained under a guy who trained in this system. I don't know if it is still going (the 'master' part of it). I do know Norm ain't one.
*That must be how "masterpiece" came to common use, morphed from master piece. Neat.
*I think you may be replying to Patrick, Blue ole buddy, but as it happens I agree with both of you about the nailer for most cases.Patrick, I was trying to get a rise out of Blue. Didn't think you would bite.
*You are right, i was replying to Patrick.You will have a hard time getting a rise out of me. Too many year out in the field has left me numb! I am unciviliced, and that's a good trait for a rough carpenter!Blue
*Bob the Younger, I was just over there, and I'm certain Lee and the rest are running Girls out of the Knots site. He offered me Brie! First Sherry, now Brie... what's it all coming to?And as to "Straight" Pinky, if he was straight, he'd be Blue!
*GWC - So you are telling me if we comb our hair, stand up straight and use the spittoons we get a gal? What do we have to do to get two? - ybhey - did you ever hear the one about the two drywallers who were arguing in the bar about who was the better poet?
*b b,f+sY.B.Would those be the two that were featured in "Martha's Monthly" last month, who put in all their own blocking withi sliding dovetail dadoes???
*b b,f+s Y.B.Seein as how yer gettin all erudite on us. . . could ya give us the etymology of master-bate now-P
*man, I get home at 7pm, two of the kids have company, the wifes wheelbarrow has a flat and the first thread I check out I got to go look up "morphodite" or something.
*Yes, good one.
*Now somebody started a topic "Flame War, Cabinetmakers vs Carpenters" over at Fine Woodworking Knots. What a bunch of knotheads!
*"Somebody?"RJT, you are bad. Breaktimers, I want you to know I am on your side. (wait while I scurry over to knots to get in on their good side)
*Typical friggin Canadian
*I want in on this!
*RJT,I'll bet your teachers loved you when you were in school! : )Rich Beckman
*RJT you are the MAN!
*I have a friend who consumes FWW like I consumeFHB.I showed him one of my Marples 1 inch chisels that I gouged a pretty good nick in on a sinker. He nearly passed out,than when I showed him how the handle was messed up from smacking it with a 21 ounce hart decker he vowed not to speak to me again. He showed me a lamp stand he worked on for six months. I told him it was nice but to me a greater thing of beauty was the 2500 sq. ft.two story we knocked out in 275 man hours. He told me I was only slighty refined from Cro-magnonstatus and gave me a wooden mallet to use on my chisel. I don't know about chisels but my oldlabored said it worked great on beer cans.
*Don, I lke the sound of "2500 sq ft in 275 man hours"!You must have a pretty good system going. Any tricks you want to share?Blue