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It's hard to tell from the pictures, but it doesn't look like any fun at all. Is that standing seam copper? It looks like it got pulled up and crumpled, but not blown completely off the building. It looks like seams stayed together, but many of the cleats pulled free of the deck.
Right now I'm making cleats and pans for my roof, and we've had some high winds, too. Maybe I should be thinking about closer than one per foot?
-- J.S.
Yeah, it's SS copper. My installer got in a hurry and didn't install as many cleats as he should have. One row had two cleats on a 10' pan. They're supposed to be cleated at 16" OC min. The two closest ones I found on the rolled up section were 22". This guy's been working for me for 7-8 years. Somebody offered him more money so he got in a hurry to get to the next job. Haste makes waste.
I invented cutting corners.
It sounds like a progressive failure situation. The wind gets under an edge and lifts some copper. The more area it lifts, the more area it has to push on, the more force it can apply to the remaining cleats. The seams holding together only prevent an automatic reduction in the force. I think I'll stick with 12" O.C. and even closer at the edges.
It's a shame, you have my sympathy.
-- J.S.
Thanks for the support, but it's not as bad as it looks. My sub's insurance co. is gonna do the right thing. That roof plane is 11 sq and I think about 6 or 7 sq can be salvaged. This is a homeowner contracted job and unfortunately, he gets hung up on the small issues and the big ones take a long time to get resolved. Still waiting for pics of your project. How's it going?
I invented "rez".
Did he say, "I'm sorry."?That wind made it up here last night. Some places along this coast hit 60-80 MPH for an hour or so. The ferry shut down, and we had some minor messes to clean up this AM. I was in a hole forming for footers and almost got knocked over a couple times mid-day today.
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Anybody here from the Columbus OH area have any details on the new construction collapse that was on 10TV? It looked like it was almost dryed in, all sheathed and papered, news said that the roof went first then the walls collapsed. It looked like it was either a Mcmansion or an apartment complex.
I don't know if this has any impact on blue's argument but it looked like a good argument for more clips somewhere. Maybe just poor timing by the weatherman <g>.
Lefty - Lurker without an attitude or a clue
> Still waiting for pics of your project. How's it going?
I have to do some photoshop work on the pictures I took over the summer. I finally got the little fiddly bits of framing and sheathing done for the ridge vent, and got peel and stick on everything to get thru the rainly season. I was in a hurry near the end of the dry weather, and didn't shoot much of the vent details. They're in 8 foot sections, held down with carriage bolts so they can be pulled easily to finish up the copper work and screens.
I did get the gutters on. They're 32 oz. copper, a sort of "K" style, with a piece of 1/2" K water pipe stiffening the outer lip. I put the gutters, aprons, and 16 oz. eaves fascia together as soldered assemblies, and hauled them into place on ropes.
Winter really slows things down. There's no light to work by after I get home on weekdays. It seems to rain one day every weekend, and my wife has stuff for me to do the other day..... ;-)
-- J.S.
John, that Ice and water shield sounded like overkill last summer.........how did you know?
Joe H
How are you going to salvage it?
What I mean is, you have to pull it off to install the clips that aren't under the remainder of it? How can you get it off without ruining it?
I'm missing something here.......the seams have to come apart to do this?
I'm kinda surprised his ins co is gonna cover it. He has a Shoddy Work Policy?
Joe H
How are you going to salvage it?
There isn't any salvaging it. The customer is paying for a new copper roof, properly installed. What didn't get ripped off is not installed correctly, but it is turning water for the time being. When I get the rest of the house dried in, I'll come back and remove the whole plane and reroof it. The client is very sympathetic, fortunately. I've been out there all day today and yesterday and have gotten a great deal of roof installed. As far as insurance goes, my sub is probably lying to me and/or the insurance company. This is gonna get ugly, but I'll keep the client happy and deal with the lawsuits when necessary.
My dog invented the salad shooter.
Guess I misunderstood that 6 or 7 squares were salvageable.
What a mess, you're probably right about somebody is lying. Your sub's ins co will find out what the cause is and tell him no coverage.
Joe H
Initially, I thought I might be able to save what's still on, but if the part that blew off was not fastened correctly, then the rest of it is not either.
Would it be possible to get the remaining part off by cutting thru the seams? Could it be salvaged that way as strips of flat stock, too narrow for this job, but perhaps useful for something smaller? Could the moderately mangled parts get re-cut into cleats? (not that you need all that many cleats, but as an instructive exercise for the guy who didn't use enough cleats ;-) )
.... Looking for ways to come out of this with something better than the price of scrap copper.
-- J.S.
last I heard the salvage might be drip edge, alot of drip edge.But only he knows for sure..I feel bad for him.BTW today we have 50+ mph wind..my metal roof circa 1900 is screaming..the whole place is kinda rocking and rolling..good thing it's logs..( be thinking 3 little pigs)..LOL
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Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations.
The seams are all that'll go in as scrap. The flats will get made into drip edge, step flashings, cleats, counter flags, what ever. It's still nice and shiney on the back.
an instructive exercise for the guy who didn't use enough cleats
That instruction is gonna be taught in a courtroom.
Balif, whack his peepee.
Ouch. I postponed raising a cupola today. When the tree tops are moving 30', I don't go up.
But from the title I thought you were gonna say something about how you struck a match and caused an explosion.
PAHS Designer/Builder- Bury it!
When the tree tops are moving 30', I don't go up.
As it should be. On the way out to inspect this damage this morning, I passed a roofing job site with all sorts of EMT tending to something. There was still sustained winds of 25 MPH with gusts around 50 MPH. I'm assuming someone got blown off. Stay safe.
DUDE...looks like my house..never mind..we lived. Uh,it was insured ..right?I'll Be in P-ville till Fri at least..maybe 1/2 day Sat...free after that if ya need me..Man, that sucks..cleats? what cleats?..
My oak shakes stayed on if it makes anything better..?
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations.
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Too Bad it is copper, they might have been able to use it on this place - unfortunatly this is all brushed stainless steel
OK! OK! Where is that structure located?
More data please.
Greencu vented
Rez,
It is located a few blocks from home here. It is the Weisman Art Museum near the University of Minnesota on the Mississippi River in Minneapolis.
Here is another photo for you
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Here is a link that has some more details
http://www.weisman.umn.edu/architecture/images.html
Pretty interesting place, must have been a trip to build
Profileless Shoe - a remodeling contractor in St. Paul, MN
Couple more photo's for you
View Image "a fairy tale castle of stainless steel that reflects the changing moods of the Mississippi River and the cold Minnesota sky."
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and another link http://hudson.acad.umn.edu/surprises/c1.html
Thanks
be a fairytale
You like?
To me it looks like "Picasso meets Bauhaus". ;-)
-- J.S.
Is it annoying on a sunny day?
Jon Blakemore
I've never been blinded by it
thats gotta suck!