I would like to know what everyone’s opinion is of the pictures in this post. These are a set of stairs framed recently by a guy on our crew. He has about 20 years experience, but he feels that I am a hack and he won’t work with me or my crew because “in good conscience I can’t frame with them. They are too sloppy.”
Should I make a point of “discussing” these stairs? The rise he figured as 7 11/16. The first rise is 8 1/4″. He overcut about 3/4″ of an inch so he would have to use a handsaw or jigsaw to finish the cut. He didn’t glue the first 3 risers. I feel that they are a hack job. He also built a footing recently that was 1′ off in 20′. I’m a little irritated because I do a good job and work hard to do quality work.
What do you guys think of these stairs or this situation?
Edited 10/23/2003 7:05:14 PM ET by TIMUHLER
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Tim,
Is this the same guy that your always taliking about?
If it is, He's a GOON and you should get rid of him because he does nothing but cause a problem on every job your on and if he's calling you a hack and saying that you using your CMP Calculator for cutting rafters is a waste of time and taking twice as long as you to frame a bay roof with him using another guy.
He's nothing but a jealous old idiot because your 25 and he can't even shine your shoe. This guy will cost you nothing but time and money on every job he does for you. You say black, he says white. It's a never ending battle with this GOON.
You have the power, your father's the boss. Unless you want me to come there and knock him out for ya.;-)
Keep up the good work.
Joe Carola
Tim-
If those stairs were built in my house, I'd be tearing you a new one right now. I'm not sure how your other guys stack up to that kind of work, but those stairs are bad. I think life is too short to mess around with people who won't/can't take the time to do it right, particularly those who call others "hacks". I call people at work hacks too, but I put my money where my mouth is. It's motivation in and of itself.
Show him the door.
MERC
Tim,
Looks like a butcher to me good luck with this guy, I smell trouble.
The missed nails and missing glue are not proper on stairs and will result in very annoying squeaks as time goes by.
As far as the difference on the first rise. Is he taking into account different floor finishes?
The 3/4" over-cut is fine and not unusual at all.
The only other thing that I would not do would be to use osb for the treads and nail thru the back of the rise board into the osb. No way will osb or plywood for that matter hold up foot traffic for very long.
The nail would end up tearing thru the surface of the tread.
Is the top step rise short? Maybe he just forgot to drop the stringers. The over cut doesn't look that bad, though still shouldn't be. I would definitely give him all kinds of grief, especially if he said he was better than anyone else.
No reason to complain about other people's work and silp up on a simple job like this. At least no reason to expect not to catch some grief for it.
Those steps are just fine!
For the sheep pen
where the squeeks won't be noticed over the bleating, and the bottom step will be fine after the dung piles up 3/4" or so
Excellence is its own reward!
You beat me to it...I think those steps are just fine...they are temporary for use during construction, right?
Do it right, or do it twice.
Stan Foster is building your stairs!!!!
Man you are lucky!
I heard he is busy and hard to get!!!
:)
Mr T
Do not try this at home!
I am an Experienced Professional!