While I stared at the bank thermometer (-30 F) on the way to work today…..I pondered this question. Thank goodness the wind died down before I had to go to work. Windchill was reported to be between -40 and -50 this morning.
How cold is too cold to go to work? What is the coldest temps that you remember working outdoors in?
Ebe
by the way I did work outside today….
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I worked in -25 I was wearing a coat & insulated bibbs. Most of the workers from the area (St Paul island Alaska) were in T shirts.
Sun was out & zero wind.
It got to -50 at that time I was in my office doing paper work & felt very sorry for the mechanics trying to get some of the equipment into the warehouse.
“The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.” —Albert Einstein
55.two ways to screw up concrete 1) concrete driver 2) concrete finisher
52 & basking in the sun right now.
If my back wasn't F'd up I'd be gettin some stuff done.
“The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.” —Albert Einstein
52 & basking in the sun
Yeah, it s;ure was nice today for Feb in PNW!!!
And only if it ain't raining.
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
I think that it depends on what you're doing. Standing on an aluminum scaffold plank all day really sucks even at 0*F. Working on the ground where I'm able to keep moving, my cold tolerance increases quite a bit. Then you have to consider the wind, too. It's less of a factor when you're in an urban environment with buildings to block it. Out on the prairie where it really whips up, I'd pay more attention to the wind than air temperature.
I think that I'd work in -30 if I didn't have to stand still for too long or take my gloves off very often. We haven't had much colder than -18 or so here for the past few years.
I agree wind has everything to do with it. Today I was able to stay out of the wind for the most part and believe it or not the sun was actually quite warming.
The coldest I worked in was the day the coldest temp in minnesota history was recorded (-60 F) in Tower, MN. We were framing just off the West shore of Mil Lacs ....Garrison area on a Motel. It was -48 but little wind, boss was nice enough to let us start later in the morning and it did warm up to near zero. Air lines for nail guns froze so had to add isopropyl to the lines to get them going again.
I will never forget that day. Wasn't bad if you kept moving.
Cabela's finest thermal underwear made it possible. I recommend it to anyone.
heres the link: http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A&_DAV=search_redir&id=0021027922066a&navCount=1&podId=0021027922066&parentId=cat602066&masterpathid=&navAction=push&catalogCode=7IS&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat602066&hasJS=true
ebe..... +10 is about it for around here....
w've done it...but it wasn't real productive
why don't you come to PeachFest in August and we'll swap liesMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
It was running between ten and fifteen here today. Light breeze ( Brownie might call it a wind. Doesn't seem to take much for them to call moving air a wind down in Florida. They must be gun-shy from all those hurricanes.)we built the fourth garage wall with headers and erected it, set the ridge, then almost all the rafters except where the skylight will go.
The guys didn't think we could get anywhere near that much done, but they found my help inspiring I guess
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peachfest sounds like fun, thanks for the invite. may be out east late in March (Atlantic City area for work) but no plans on being there in August. Summer isn't even here and I am booked already with work and family events.
ebe... Peachfest is in your backyard... not mine.. (Indiana ).... Helen & I will be driving out....it's starting to sound like this will be the biggest fest ever
what kind of work will you be doing so far from home ? (Atlantic City )
Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Edited 2/21/2008 8:19 pm ET by MikeSmith
oh I didn't read too far into peach fest location. Sorry. Pattern still full for Indiana in August.
We do get to Indiana quite often to pick up trailers in Elkart. But those trips are usually sporadic at best. I usually stay in the upper midwest except for a few occasions.
I am not sure if it is a commercial contractor sale or an construction auction as we do both. Boss didn't give all the details as he is on his way back from a month long stint in Florida.
We have a line of trailers and imports, generators, water pumps, scaffolding, power trowels, tampers.....etc.
here is a link to our website with pictures if interested. http://www.sparkstrailers.com
Edited 2/21/2008 10:44 pm ET by Ebe
"We have a line of trailers and imports, generators, water pumps, scaffolding, power trowels, tampers.....etc. "Post your website in your profile or signature line. Some of us might want to know more!Glad t5o have you here!
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your wish is my command....just posted website to my profile for your viewing pleasure.
Stay warm
Ebe
Hot Dang! I have a 14' all AL v-nose dual axle for tools, and a 10 or 12 foot EZ dumper.there are questions that come up here from time to time about tool trailers or how to drive hauling one or whether to get two axles or one etc
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That sounds like a nice size for a tool trailer.....much bigger and you fill it with unnecessary stuff.
the dumps come in real handy.....they are probably one of our biggest sellers.
I think we have at least 5 semi loads of dumps alone on order, not to mention the 50-75 we have in stock. Ours are big enough to carry skid loaders or other small utilities.
think spring...
ebe
Back when I was growing up working on the farm I worked in -20°, out in it all day.
Doug
Picking cotton?
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
Not much cotton growing up here in Iowa!
well ...
I know that - 10 f is too cold to try and hang azec trim boards.
I thot they'd explode ... and I was right.
Jeff
Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
but this southern cold is something else, its gets to 55 and its rough, look at Dan, northern boy had to go to Hospital. its just rough weather. we can only handle it because we are use to it, but it not easy, its a different cold..two ways to screw up concrete 1) concrete driver 2) concrete finisher
funny thing this topic came up today ...
thot to myself as I went out to warm up the truck this morning ...
"wow ... for 14 deg it's really not bad at all"
for the first time in a coupla weeks ... no wind at all this morning.
even told the boy he didn't have to wear a hat ... just the hood on his coat.
and btw ... working out in that - 10 deg ...
not my idea!
boss was certain we'd make good progress that day ...
he was wrong.
aside from the materials exploding when U shot it ... really hard to run exterior trim from the customers kitchen table , drinking coffee.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Really depends on what were doing. If I was doing aluminum siding I'd likely hang around till -10. Framing walls or floor systems we've worked to -35, that was one winter where it was -25 or worse for most of January all the way till March. Of course the last couple of years being so much milder out here (Toronto) we don't mind missing a day if it gets below -15. At -35 we had to warm up the saws in the morning before cutting, and run the compressor from the van, keep a screwdriver handy to dig the ice out of the guns. THE REAL QUESTION is at what point do you stop being productive due to cold weather and actually suffer for nothing? If you have 2 or more guys it really becomes an issue.
"THE REAL QUESTION is at what point do you stop being productive due to cold weather and actually suffer for nothing? "For me it is minus thirty, but if I am paying people, it is about minus ten
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Your right!! We were lucky to be framing post of the time during the frigid temps so we were able to keep moving....that is the key along with staying out of the wind.
If you were able to keep your gloves dry it was a great day. We used mostly Duofast nailers and most of them had the rubber hand grips wore off so made for a long cold day.
Depends on the job. In a former life, I was a zookeeper. -85 windchill. Ran from the truck, fed the critters, ran back to the truck.
I can dress for -40 and work on rooftop heaters for hours. Hate being in +100.
Hate being in +100.100 degree doesnt bother me, 100+ doesnt bother me, we always have wind, it alway blowing 20 mph. But it gets to about 28 it friggin cold with that 20 mph wind coming out of the north. and all our weather is wet wind. so it like throwing icicles in your face..two ways to screw up concrete 1) concrete driver 2) concrete finisher
I have run a tar kettle when the temps were 117 degrees, but I had heat exhaustion once and I run right out of energy when it get too hot ever since then.
I can always put more clothes on, but there is a limit to how much i can take off.
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When i was younger I would have opted for the heat any day but as i grow older and maybe a little thicker skinned I handle the cold much better now.
Minnesota is great that way as we get both!!
my youngest son wants to be a zookeeper. any input? did you have a degree?
-85 is cold no matter how long you are out.
I noticed that the ground was cracking from the cold here the other day and it was only -30 I can't imagine what even colder would do to things....
Ever watch "Ice Road Truckers" that would be a tough gig too.... nerves of steel for those guys. Lots of variables.
Stay warm...
Ebe
No degree, just luck. Pay is usually lousy. Feed and shovel. Repeat.
Trades pay better. If he really wants to work with animals, tell him to become a vet.
Sun was out and snow was melting today.
"Feed and shovel. Repeat."Sounds a lot like dairy farming - even the pay grade!;)
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Safety as well as productivity can be a concern.
On a heli-skiing trip in Canada temps dropped to -40 (no need to ask F or C at that temp) and they would not go out because shock from a broken-bone injury might have resulted in death from hypothermia before they could have gotten the guy back to the lodge.
Well I don't do any outside carpentry work in the winter anymore, but...
I still like occassional winter camping and when I was a bit younger I led dog sled expeditions and kept everyone healthy and happy camping out at -40°.
alot of people don't realize how much fun winter camping can be, i did some when i was in boy scouts and it was a blast except that we planned on a 20 F night and turned out to be -15 F instead. Spent much more time by the fire!! good time though.
Ebe
colder is better. The avalanche zones get tricky when it thaws
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What is the coldest temps that you remember working outdoors in
4 specific event come to mind.
Near Kenmare, ND in '89. Splicing a Minuteman cable at -40 or so, surprisingly there was a 5 MPH breeze, usually dead calm at that temp. The breeze was the killer.
Coldest with highest wind was about 12 F but wind was 70 MPH, off Adak, AK aboard ship.
Grand Forks, ND, mid '70's. -10F or so, but 50 MPH winds, not really working outside but 2 of us had to go out to the burn barrel and watch it all burn and then bust up the ashes.
The week after Pop died in Jan. Mom had alsways wanted the car in a garage if Pop wasn't around to scrape ice in Cent. IL. Day we did the job was -30F or so, coldest there since I was a kid. Brother, BIL, and I cleaned all the tools out of the garage and installed a rollup door and opener. Probably took about 2x as long as if it were a balmy 20F.
One more, but not working. Took kids up foothills of Mt. Rainier in February, late '70's. WAS Cold for here, about 15F. Wanted to teach the kids (mid-Teens at the time) about the dangers of hypothermia and endurance, so was prepared. 10 mile hike uphill in 2 ft snow without snowshoes to where we wanted to camp. 8 mi in, youngest succumbed, said he was getting tired and cold, layed him down right on the trail into sleeping bag over closed cell foam pad with all clothes still on. Oldest son was about the whole 10 mil . He was to come back if he heard me fire the rifle. Crystal mountain ski area was doing avalanche control with cannon about 6 mi. away and he could not discriminate - had to really hoof it to get to him and bring him back, oldest and self never got cold, but tired, we all were glad I'd dragged up a propane stove and a few cylinders to warm up the snow cave. Dinty Moore stew never tasted so good.
were you in the Air Force?
the winds pretty much dictate what and how much you get done, I see that many utuility company now have portable shelter with heaters to do their splicing etc....makes alot of sense.
hope you are warm now!
Ebe
were you in the Air Force?
No, I worked for (still do) the prime contractor on Minuteman.
Yeah - somebody try to do detailed work like splicing wires in extreme cold WILL make a mistake
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"Wanted to teach the kids (mid-Teens at the time) about the dangers of hypothermia "something more people need to understand. I've been there.I was a sponsor/chaperon for a youth group doing a mountain hike one weekend. Spent one night at a base camp and the next day a hike to the summit. Gave all a talk on preparation and dangers to watch for which went in one ear and out the other for half of them. This was a fine summer day, but knowing how fickle mountain weather is, I made them carry either a jacket or a raincoat as we started off. within the next couple miles a lot of them stowed their warm gear alongside the trail because it was too much trouble to carry. Well, after a fine lunch and afternoon at a high lake we started down and barely had got a third of the way back to base when the rain and hail and wind hit us. By the time we were two third of the way back, there were some suffering distress. I had the other adults gather them closer together while they walked. I gave over my jacket and shirt to a couple kids in the worst shape and I took off running the last couple of miles to camp to get fires started and the propane burner in the big tent started and a van running for the heater in it, so things would be ready when the group got there. when they arrived, they found all those heat sources working, and me hunkered over the fire babbling and shivering to beat the band in my wet T-shirt. I did not recall anything after arriving at that base camp, I was so cold, but functioning on autopilot.
all the kids made it fine but one did come down sick and a couple others were fully exhausted for a day.
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Yep, amazing that even a lot of folks our age dont know about hypothermia effects.
Took the kids as recalled one time when I was a 25 YO kid and putting up forms for basement wall. Only about 35F, no wind but drizzle, so was wet.
Noticed I was acting like I was REALLY drunk, scared me enough to get into and start the truck to get warm till felt competent enough to drive home.
I am one of those who got too far into hypothermia once, and am now very quick to get there again.I can stand the cold better than I can stand the heat. Heat will make me badly sick -=real quick=-. I was sick for 6 weeks after going to California.But I lose my body core heat too quickly as well, if I am not careful.If I am in temps of 50 to 60 for days on end, I am close to hypothermia again. Even if I am dressed well.Go out and do some work in that condition, and it only takes about ten minutes for me to get to the point you describe.I have to get into a space that is 72 degrees or more, for a couple days, get wrapped up, and really sweat... before I really get my body core temps back up. And get rid of the pervasive weakness, and feeling like I am on the edge, where the least bit of cold could push me over.Thing is, if I keep the house temp up like that... I can go out and work in the cold all I want, and it doesn't bother me. I can actually handle more cold than most people can. I work in a tee shirt in the 40's. ...As long as I can come back in, and get heated up again, before I get to the point where I feel my core heat draining away.
When it rains, it snows.
that what gets me, during heat spells you here about people dying in chicago and the big city due to heat. we in it everyday with no problem, although we do switch to night work for concrete placements.my spelling is not bad, my keyboard is covered with dirt and I cant see the keys.
IIRC, most hypothermia in kids occurs in the summertime.
Ever see a kid shivering while at a swimming pool?
"Wanted to teach the kids (mid-Teens at the time) about the dangers of hypothermia"
I gave over my jacket and shirt to a couple kids in the worst shape and I took off running...when they arrived, they found...me hunkered over the fire babbling and shivering to beat the band in my wet T-shirt.
I'm a certified outdoor leader and experiential educator.
First rule for leaders or rescue personnel: never sacrifice your own safety or you're no good to anyone else. Creating an additional victim only exacerbates the crisis.
Second rule: always carry extra clothing for yourself or others in need. Give away your extra, not your primary safety system.
sounds like a good rule of thumb but if I hadn't done wht I did in getting heat availble, there would have been kids going to the hospital
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Finally a warming trend here that will bring temps back up to average for this time of year. The 30's are gonna feel really warm.
I have been doing mostly inside work, but I do a fair bit of cutting out in the cold...having to work in a hot 70*, occupied space, them make a bunch of cuts outside in 0* and back and forth bites.
I can usually heat my shop for projects with scrap cut offs...this winter I have already burned and extra cord of firewood...need to buy another cord.
This morning I had to thaw out a frozen pipe, before my MIL woke up and started bitchin' that the toilet didn't work.
Been a long, cold winter...I'm ready for spring...and I usually like winter.
So what -=did=- she beech about when she woke up ?;o)
When it rains, it snows.
Depend on how hungry you are.
Amen, you said alot. Humans are very durable and capable of many things when they are forced to provide or have needs.
Ebe
She was bummed that the post office does not offer fax service and I dropped my fax line...always something wrong.
I was in your neck of the woods earlier this week, Tuesday to be specific. Had to take a load to New Richland, MN and then make tracks back up north. New Richland must be about 45 minutes or so from you?
Yes, I am excited about the warm weather...forcasted 20 F up here. Am taking in a home show this week-end in Fargo ND about 90 minute trip for us.
You should have plenty of hardwood in your area, do you have to buy or do you have land to cut from?
Wife wants to get a fireplace, but no logical place to put a wood burning unit nor the proper footings and she would settle for gas but wants to put in the bottom area of the built in TV cabinet but I am not to hip on that idea.
Ebe
65 is too cold, but for the right price i'll work in anything that doesnt completely freeze up the tools.
55°F is the most comfortable working weather there is!
unless the wind is over fifty or the rain is wet that day.;)
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Not sure of the coldest temps exactly. While I'm sure there have been days down below freezing in the past, working for someone else, it is a very rare occasion that I will bother with exterior work at below 32 degrees F.
Plenty of sun and no wind and I'll consider it..but a passing cloud or a slight breeze and I start packing up! LOL.
One of the benefits of self employment.
In general though, I try and schedule minimal exterior work during the winter months, as I am far less productive in the cold.
Beware the bikini clad female.
She may be interpreted as offensive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Rbkcxiibw&feature=related.my spelling is not bad, my keyboard is covered with dirt and I cant see the keys.
Ebe
The worst was one feb when I was putting roof decking on 20 below with wind chills up to 40 below. Me climbing on the timbers 30 feet in the air.. It was a Saturday, the guy helping me needed money to pay rent and I needed the work done so I could enclose the roof before the rains came..
It always seems colder and usually is... on the roof. I can remember sheeting roofs in those temps and winds but not usually that much of a drop. That makes a huge diffence. We usually had to wait until the frost if any burned off or swept off before we would set foot on the roof.
There are days I miss that line of work but then there are days that I don't miss it a bit.....usually rainy days.....I hate working in the rain.
I would rather work in the cold than in the rain!!!
I blew through the metro on Tuesday..... get frustrated with the traffic everytime I go there. So many people trying to go in the same direction, doesn't seem like a tough concept but some people make it really difficult. At least I was able to stay on 494 and 35 w south. traffic was much better on the way back through.
Up on the roof it is always hotter on hot days and colder on cold days.So roofing calls for somebody really tough
or really stupid
or really intoxicated so he thinks he is really tough and stupid;)
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some of the commercial roofers opted for something a little stronger than booze ...... it also gave them the munchies. tried to keep my distance from that crew.
ebe
"What is the coldest temps that you remember working outdoors in?"
Back in the year that Reagan was shot I was working as a carp on a condo project in Winter Park, Colorado. One particular day, my pard and i were working up a north wall ( no sunshine, full wind) of a three story building putting the clap siding on.
We had a pretty good idea from the feelings and the forecast that morning that it was a good 20-25 below zero. we would work thirty minutes, then spend thirty inside by the propane burner. The supervisor came along once and remarked that we were spending alot of time huddling that day. I told him, "Yeah, and you can dock my pay for every damn minute of it if you want!"
so on the way home, we heard on the radio that a cold front had hit and lowered temps more than they had predicted to about 35 below. We calculated that we had been working with wind chills about fifty six below zero that day.
I worked in a lot of minus thirty, but found it counterproductive once it is below minus thirty, and way slow when colder than minus fifteen.
But I remember one day when I left home with it about zero and no wind, sunshine, etc, so I was mentally looking forward to a good day. Drove 17miles to the job through a canyon to the other side of the county. We got going and laid a couple squares of shingles, then went to the coffee shop where we heard one guy ask another if he knew how cold it was. He answered, "Well, my thermometer just warmed up to minus fourteen."
Even tho it had probably been minus twenty that morning when we started, the lack of wind and the bright sun made us feel nice and warm
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Yikes! the sound of -35 scares me. I do agree that the situation is more important than the temp but I also acknowledge that there are some people that can tolerate a lot more than me when it come to cold. I like heat....over a 100 is great to me but I also do OK in "normal" cold. The coldest I remember working in was -8: no wind but no sun either. I've also worked in 30 degree weather that was unbearable. Heres a pic that shows the extremes. I'm working on an octogan roof, in a cozy little niche and the sun is warming me nicely. It looks like I'm goofing off a bit because I have my shirt off but the truth was that I was starting to overheat and I didn't want to sweat into my shirt. I only wore two shirts: a long sleeved turtleneck cotton undershirt and a normal sweathshirt. I peeled the sweatshirt on most days but this nice winter day (sunny and calm) was still too nice (30ish). The second pic was taken and shows the guys on the ground eating a snack. They were probably working out back in the shade. Notice my secret weapon down there....the fire bucket. In my later years, I refused to work without a fire bucket...that's why I didn't need ten layers of clothes. I would carry that everywhere including up in my Skytrak box!
Bob's next test date: 12/10/07
that's from "Boogerin with Blue"...
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Is that why the bucket is so small? To be able to carry it around?
The Romans used to call that a brazier. Go to the Chariot races or the Senate and you had a small hibachi type thing at your feet in winter!
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you speak of this as though you were there....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
while the crowd is enjoying the latest ROAR...Let me tell you about the time I put my truck over a cliff forty miles form God himself in the back end of UTAH when the temp was 20° and the sun was going down....First thing I did was fire up the hibachi and make tea and sausagesman's gotta know what's important in life!;)
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The five gallon bucket is the perfect size. It takes all the stud cutoffs and scraps of lumber and warms the extremities nicely. I hook the handle with my hammer claw and can take it with me everywhere. The guys lay a 4' x 4' piece of plywood down on the deck and place a couple chunks of block down and set their bucket next to the sawhorses. I spend a lot of time reading the plans then! We hang our guns near the bucket or lay them on a block next to it. That keep them toasty warm when not in use. Our gloves are kept dry by circulating the wet ones next to the bucket. We've tried different methods but we always come back to the steel five gallon tar (or paint) bucket. Bob's next test date: 12/10/07
Edited 2/22/2008 11:18 am by Jim_Allen
I too have had my moments with foremen that seem to think they are funny. they will drive up to the job site and roll down their window about an inch and talk to you from there rather than getting out and seeing for himself how things are going. I suppose he didn't want his coffee and donuts to get cold!!!
Lets face it the wind just plain bites when it is cold out.
Ebe,
I remember being off of school for a week when I was 17. Worked for a hog farmer that lived down the road from me. School closed because of the stranded bus risk, but we had sows out in the field with babies (obvious poor birth control on that).
I think it averaged -30 for a week. A few days the only machine that would start up was the '79 f250. Two taps and Brooouum!
I think that winter was my closest encounter with frost bite.
Fast forward about 4 years ago. Sheating church roof with 4" atlas board (some type of partial SIP) and the delivery arrive on the coldest day of the year. -35 but the boss/owner was out there with us, so i had no complaints.
This has been an odd winter here with more cold blast than normal and less snowfall.
many communities have been plagued by the flu due to the lack of snow here which normally keeps everyone a little closer to home.
I wish I had that F-250. I am looking for something like that to run back and forth to work with and use for pulling my boat to our local lakes....plus the never ending odd jobs.
Ebe
That F250 was a beast. On a couple of occasions that winter I had to scoot some week old piglets into the cab and transfer them to a confinement barn. It was so cold the sows would not move out of the quansit huts and they were rolling and crushing some of the babies.
We would occasionally drive that same farm truck to local tavern for lunch, we did not realize how bad the steering/front suspension was until you got her up to 55.
maybe I wouldn't want that truck after all.
I know what you mean about the steering, I had a '73 ford f-100 and it had the same problem. tie rods were generally shot after 100k miles. generally had to saw on the wheel pretty hard to keep her on the road, but started like a charm on the coldest of days.
Ebe