Talkedwith a guy who was working at the neighborhood Lowes the other day right before the last big freeze hit.
Told me they had a semi trailer full of paint get dropped off and the bosses decided to leave the paint on the truck sitting outside.
What? You say you want to buy yer paint at a bigbox aye?
Peaceful,
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We have a special in paint on aisle 3. The shade is Ice Blue. How many gallons ya' want?
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I have never had paint go bad on me just from freezing.
If the paint goes bad, there is always some other reason. The freezing just added to the problems.
I've used paint that sat outside in an unheated shed or something, for ten years, and the paint mixed well, applied well, and never peeled, etc...
Yeah, it may be cold, but at least it's a wet cold !
I've never had a full, unopened gallon of paint go bad from freezing even though I've had them frozen solid, but I have had paint go bad. They were partially used and sitting in my van for a few freeze/thaw cycles. After completing thawing out, there were clumps in the paint that couldn't be mixed back in.
I can only guess, but I suspect it has to do with the fact that there was enough air in the can that the reaction to freezing was different.
I hope you're charging a premium for that that 10-year old, shed-stored paint that never peels. Maybe you've found the secret.
LOLI used it on my own stuff. (So I wouldn't have to pay a premium to someone else...) ;o)And that was a while back.I agree partial cans go bad, faster.
Yeah, it may be cold, but at least it's a wet cold !
Speaking of partial cans going bad or just yucky, one of the HGTV hosts said he punches holes around the rim of the paint can so the paint can drip thru when he uses it, then bangs the lid on hard and stores the can upside down to eliminate any rust or skins. Think that works??
I tried that hole drilling "trick" yeeeeaaars ago. First, ya get metal filings in the paint. Second, a quality paint is rather thick, which ends up clogging the holes almost immediately.
I do store paint cans upside down however.
J. D. ReynoldsHome Improvements
Punch the holes with a nail, not a drill. Then you don't get the metal shavings.I would think over the long term it would let more air in the can. But the help keep the rim clean for a few days, maybe.
Ahhh.....nails, huh?
Maybe. My luck the can would tip over from the blow and spill everywhere.
In all honesty, paint build up on the rim has never been an issue for me. After pouring from the can, I make sure to clean it out well with the brush. No holes necessary.
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"Ahhh.....nails, huh?
Maybe. My luck the can would tip over from the blow and spill everywhere.
In all honesty, paint build up on the rim has never been an issue for me. After pouring from the can, I make sure to clean it out well with the brush. No holes necessary."
Which nail gun should I use framer or finish?
Depends on whether its varnish or Duration
sharp end of a 5-way is made for this task...
Hole do you get filings in there? I don't use a file. I use a screwdriver and a Whack. Makes a plenty big enough hole for paint to flow through
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screwdriver???
aren't ya suppose to use yur buddy's best chisel???
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only if he is watching.
you'd let him watch you do that???
guesss there's are broader lines between brave, nuts and flat out suicidal than suspected...
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I'm 6'7" 275, what could he do?
Stab you in the kneecap after you hand the chisel back to him ?
Yeah, it may be cold, but at least it's a wet cold !
hit you with in the head yur hammer after he gets his chisel back...
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The holes I do, but I can't see how it eliminate skins to store it upside down
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I really can't see any point in punching a hole in the rim of a can. I don't paint from the can. I pour the paint into another container or a roller tray. Then the lid needs to go back on. If there's paint in the rim, it's going to make a mess, so the paint needs the be cleaned from the rim. A hole will not help get that done any faster. I clean the rim with a brush and drop the lid back on until the next time I need to pour from the can.
Since the rim is reasonably clean and there's no hole to risk allowing air into the can, I tap the lid back on when I'm done and put the can away right-side-up. Even a partial can of latex paint will keep for many, many years this way.
In order to not damage the lid and help to ensure that it seal airtight, I always remove lids with a paint can opener, never with a screwdriver.
the lid seals the hole and yes it does help..
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Yeah, I figured the lid probably seals the hole.
It only takes me a few seconds to clean the rim. Even if a hole were to cut my time in half, there's no appreciable time-savings for me.
less mess...
do as you see fit...
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The rims on paint cans is an interesting thing. I also punch holes in them , dad taught me to do that. My painter never does (Claims that doing so increases the chance of air getting past the seal ) but he hates the rims. Told me that when he was in Europe that he stopped by a few paint jobs and noticed that the cans there have no rims at all.
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
"the cans there have no rims at all."
sounds like an outhouse..(G)Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Watch the drip is what your telling me ?
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
I do it with Lac and shellac cans faithfully. Yes, it does help. The lids don't splat out finish when ya hammer them down, and I often don't have a brush handy..I pour into a spray cup.
But ,if I have pants on, I have a swiss army knife in them, and the awl is perfect for those drain holes.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Just curious to know what you paint in when you're not wearing pants...sorry, you kind of walked into that one.
Yeah,I did. Thats an old response to whenever anyone asks "Hey, you got a knife on ya?" The standard reply is "If I have my pants on I do".
I swear by Swiss Army knives, not the complete kitchen and toolbox type, just a normal one , Hiker I believe. Handy as a pocket on a shirt.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Never heard that before...guess I don't hang around with the guys enough! Appreciate the info on the Swiss Army knife - hubs wants a new knife and Valentine's Day is coming.
Back when I was on the road using my thumb for transportation I used mine daily. Left it on a fence post along the road when ride came up. Realized my mistake probably 150 or so miles later. Got let out , crossed the road and hitched back for it. It was still on the post where I left it. Some things you just cannot do without.
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
If you ever had to crawl into a pipeorgan to tune it, a SWK is all ya need..and all ya have room for to have with you..LOL
All staightslot screws and the occaisonal whittle on a sticking tracker or pipe stopper.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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It's funny....you never realize how big an issue some things are, til you bring them up around here.
J. D. ReynoldsHome Improvements
It is only an issue for guys who have never tried it but manage to insist that it can do no good even in that state of ignorance.
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Okay, okay. I'll try it.
One of the worst reasons I've ever heard someone say for not changing is "we've always done it that way". I don't want to be that guy.
Now then, a 6, 8 or 10 penny nail? ;-)
sharp end of the 5-way is perfect. rest it in the rim at an angle. hit the butt of the 5-way with the palm of your hand. presto. longitudinal slot. repeat half a dozen times around the rim. done.Edited 2/2/2008 9:34 am by mmoogie
Edited 2/2/2008 9:35 am by mmoogie
Oh no! I thought I only had to make 1 hole. Now you're telling me I have to make several. This is turning out to be a real commitment.
OK - so what do you guys think about the new "plastic cans" that SW is doing now?
Don't get me started....
I HATE them.Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City
Why? Because you can't punch holes in the rim?
(I'm tired of typing smileys, but that was sarcasm just in case it wasn't obvious)
Not crazy about 'em. But if I can figure out a way to get the integral pour spout seperated from the plastic jug without damage to the jug.....I've got about a thousand uses for them.
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Have an idea why I cannot find some of my postings, even after advanced search?
At least one of them that I saw was moved to the Tavern, which means (A) you automatically now have access, but may not know it without logging out and then back in again, or (B) you need to request access in one of the TAVERN ACCESS PLEASE threads that pop up on occaision, often "bumped" by the venerable REZ or Luka.
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"Success is not spontaneous combustion, you have to set yourself on Fire"
nope
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or they have adopted the eat dung 500 bazillion flies can't be wrong mind set...
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So I tried the hole in the rim today. Since I said I was going to try it, I just wanted to post back that I followed through.
And what do I think about it now? I really don't want to re-hash a rather mundane issue, but I will say that I'll probably just keep doing it the way I've always done it.
" A hole will not help get that done any faster. "This is one of those things that until you have tried it and seen the difference how much better and easier it is, you cannot say that.Without the hole, it can take 8-10 strokes to use youtr brush to pull the paint UP and over the rim back into the can. With hte hole, it is one or two strokes to guide it to the hole. The lid still seals tight
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A man after my own heart!
I stopped painting from the can also and use those plastic pour guards that you clip on the rim of the can. Really has helped keep the cans clean.
Like many of the others I sometimes got debris in the can from punching the holes. My biggest problem has been with the stupid cans rusting...maybe I'm not sealing them up tight enough or maybe that was when I was doing the holes ??
Since I have no garage or outside storage I tend to buy exactly what I need, even if it's one gallon and 2 quarts, so I can use everything except for my touch-up container. When I start painting everything that doesn't want a coat had better be moving!
I don't punch the rims, I used to years ago. None of the professional painters I know punch the rim.They pour paint into a cut bucket and clean the rim with a brush.If you store the can upside down, the skim will still form, but it will be on the bottom of the can. Better yet, before closing the lid, shoot a bit of propane into the can and close the lid. The propane takes the place of air and prevents skimming.I do this when I do not plan to use the paint for a while.
mike
Thanks, Mike, that's a tip I've never heard!
are you in Florida by any chance?
A couple days ago, I drove past a business with a sign out front that said Susie's Kitchen(?s) I was going fast enough that I'm noit sure if it was an eatery or a design place. this was on the outskirts of Ocala
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Sorry, Piffin, didn't pick this reply up for some reason until today.
Not in Florida - actually just outside Huntsville, AL.
Also, don't have my own place but freelance through a dealer here. Have always said that if I could have my own place it would be called The Kitchen Diva!
I talked to my painter about what happens to paint when it freezes. He said that the sheen (or lack there of) changes and if you touch up a wall that was painted normally with paint that was (at one time) frozen the touched-up spots show due to the slightly different surface produced.
Change of sheen, I can live with.This is usually leftovers, and used on separate small projects.Thanks for that info.=0)
Yeah, it may be cold, but at least it's a wet cold !
You don't have the customers I do....
BTW - you should see the way my DW does paitners... :-(
I am my only customer.=0)And no DW to make the end of the world out of a difference in sheen...;o)
Yeah, it may be cold, but at least it's a wet cold !
Until I get around to experimenting with that supposed phenomenon, I'm going to remain skeptical. It's possible, but I can't imagine a mechanism by which this would work.
You were lucky or it never really froze hard often enough. The freeze temp of paint is quite a bit lower temperature than it is for water. Probably closer to 24 or so.And the label or other fine print info will state "Freeze/thaw stable x 20" or something like that to indicate that it can tolerate being frozen and thawed up to about twenty times, but it will also state on water based paints, "Protect from freezing"I agree with your primary point in essence tho, that it is unlikely that spending one weekend on a trailer while things got cold would harm the product.
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Yeah, they don't ship it in heated railcars or 18 wheelers, I don't think.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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I've seen frozen latex paint turn to cottage cheese texture, or something like tofu.
How ironic, that's what tofu IS.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Well, that certainly explains why it tastes so bad.
<<How ironic, that's what tofu IS.>>NAW!!! Latex tastes WAY better.
Same here
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I must testify that my experience supports your observations.
I have always been very careful with paint. The warnings always scared me. I don't think I ever lost a can of paint to freezing in over 40 years.
I like to use Minwax Helmsman Spar Urethane. The can says to stir before use and frequently during use. I did this a lot for a couple of years. Finally, seeing that it made no apparent difference, I stopped stirring. I have not noticed any difference.
Did yu check the trailer, it could have been a heated unit.
Wasn't there.
Peaceful,easy feelin'.
I doubt it would all freeze in one night. I wouldn't be surprised if none of it froze. But then again I wouldn't be surprised if it had froze on the way there. It didn't come out of the nice warm factory that afternoon. Just like paint stores and hardware stores it takes awhile before it gets from the factory to the shelves. And since they come from the same source they get treated the same from the factory.
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Rez,
A semi trailer full of paint is going to take a long time to freeze. Latex paint is able to store a lot of thermal inertia, and the air around the cans acts as an insulator when the trailer is closed.
Household freezers run around 0 Fahrenheit, and it takes a good while to freeze even one gallon of water in the freezer. Paint freezes at a lower temperature than plain water, and that trailer probably has thousands of gallons onboard.
Bill
Y'all could save yourself a lot of time, money, and aggravation and just do like I do.
I paint everything with a mixture of diesel fuel and used crankcase oil. It looks just like walnut stain, lasts longer, and stands up to everything. I just tell 'em its the rustic look, which I hear is very popular these days.
I can almost see the finish carpenters cringing. <LOL>
Mix in a dollop of plastic roof cement ( non fibered) and NOW ya got a good walnut stain.
No charge. ;)Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Hey, now that's cool. What was I thinkin'?Man, you can only imagine how much mileage I'm going to get out of that. <G>