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   Framer | Mar 12, 2003 12:48am | #1

   Metrichead,

   I'm from Caldwell NJ. I ran into a sider last year that didn't use any vinyl J-Channel, he made his own channel/trim around all the windows from the coil he used for the fascias and rakes on his break.

   I can't remember right now who and where he was from but the job he did came out beautiful. Around every window and door was perfectly straight and looked nice and crisp.

   I remember him saying that he never liked the way J-Channel looked and that it was worth it to him and he was good and fast enough to make everything on his break and like the end result.

   Just one idea for you.

   Joe Carola

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   NickNukeEm | Mar 12, 2003 04:51am | #2

   There is an article in the other rag (JLConline.com) in their August 1999 issue that details trimming out windows using wood instead of J-channel.   (J-channel is still used above the head casing and below the sill.)  Essentially, the author hides the ends of the vinyl siding behind a rabbit cut into the outside edges of the 5/4 side casings.  The article includes the head and sill details.

    

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   Zano | Mar 12, 2003 05:40am | #3

   Ever try using Tear Away Bead instead of "J" molding - it's almost invisible if you caulk it next to the window.

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   BossHog | Mar 12, 2003 04:34pm | #7

   What's "Tear Away Bead" ?

   Never heard of it.Now there's a man with an open mind - you can feel the breeze from here.

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   Zano | Mar 12, 2003 04:40pm | #8

   Boss Hog,

   I misread his question, I thought he was talking about wraping the inside of a window with a "J' Channel, so I figured why not use "Tear-Away Bead".  This is not for exterior use - sorry!  Anyways, it's a trim sorta like a "T", and then when your finished spackling it, the exposed side of the "T" tears away so you are left with a clean edge.

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   metrichead | Mar 12, 2003 05:08pm | #9

   Wow - you guys are the tits!  Thanks for all the options!

   metrichead

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   rez | Mar 12, 2003 06:07am | #4

   Metri- I seem to recall an old article or tip way back there using 1x4s I believe, running the siding close to the edge with expansion gap,  then covering the 1x4 with a 1x6 lapping the extra width over the end of the siding, thus helping give the vinyl siding a more natural look by the painted wooden cornerboards and if desired could later change the color of the trim.

    

    

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   Nivek | Mar 12, 2003 06:58am | #5

   Here where I live any type of siding that is maintaina free is popular. We have a long cold winter so real wood siding is not the preferred cladding.  A lot of vinyl on  homes but not as much as a few years ago, cement board just starting to be used, and a form of fiberboard called Canexel that mimics the look of wood.  On vinyl siding jobs it is mostly trimmed with J-trim because of the cost effectiveness and what the client wants to pay. With the imitation wood products people are looking for a more traditional look with wide trim boards around the doors windows and corners.

   Two methods are used here to  get that trim look: 1-place a 1x3 or whatever width trim you want around your window,doors or corners and skin that with aluminum coils stock and then apply your colored J-trim around that to receive your siding. Not a bad method, the one used most by contractors because it is pretty fast but you have to use caulking between the aluminum skin and your J-trim.

   2- (the one I used) place a 1x3 or whatever width of trim you want around your windows, doors or corner(usually wider) and skin it with aluminum coil stock bent with the J-trim incorporated.

   This method looks a lot sharper and has no caulking between aluminum and J-trim. The corners are bent the same form as the vinyl corners. It doesn't take that long to bend these forms once you get your templates and the proper bending order.

   These types of trims really makes a difference in the look of vinyl siding jobs,the coil stock makes nice crisp edges.

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   joedigs | Mar 12, 2003 03:22pm | #6

   I know they sell windows today with a J-Channel built in, I think the manufacture is Symons, I know they have a big "S" on the windows in the new construction cookie cutter houses, saves the siding guys lots of time.  There are probably other window guys doing the same thing.

   You can order decorative molding from the Urethane Millwork guys like http://www.style-mark.com or others can't think of there names that will send Trim for around exterior windows and doors with a routed channel to tuck the siding into. 

   I haven't used product from this company, but maybe others can recommend a good manufacturer, if you want to go this way

   Luck to yur project