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hey - remember this vintage thread?
From: FastEddie Dec-19 8:22 pm
To: ALL (1 of 23)
114191.1
Going on a long trip, need to keep some stuff frozen - raw shrimp and butterball turkey, both of which are in the freezer now. So is dry ice the way to go? How do you use it properly?
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From: Ted W. Dec-19 8:48 pm
To: FastEddie (2 of 23)
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How long of a trip?
Wrapped in layers of newspaper and packed in a thermal box will keep it for a full day.
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From: junkhound Dec-19 8:57 pm
To: FastEddie (3 of 23)
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If you have dry ice in a cooler in the car and start getting a headache, roll down the window to let the CO2 out.
(dont ask how I know this)
I'd just put the frozen turkey and shrimp in a styrofoam cooler with some water ice and wrap cooler in some blankets. Inside of a 20# turkey will still be frozen 24 hours later.
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From: FastEddie Dec-19 10:01 pm
To: junkhound (4 of 23)
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I bet there';s a lot of unfinished project at your place. And a lot of material being stockpiled for when you need it.
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From: JTC1 Dec-19 11:28 pm
To: FastEddie unread (5 of 23)
114191.5 in reply to 114191.1
>>So is dry ice the way to go? How do you use it properly?<<
I have used dry ice for prolonged transport of frozen food.
Assuming the shrimp and turkey are frozen at the start, packing in dry ice inside of a decent cooler should keep them frozen nicely for 4 or 5 days at this time of year. Overkill if you are only talking about a day trip.
Handle only with completely dry, insulated gloves - ski gloves will do fine.
When I used it, I was advised to seperate / insulate the food (in plastic wrapping) from direct contact with the dry ice with a few layers of newspaper (3 or 4 sheets).
So, wrap food in newspaper, pack in dry ice inside of cooler, tape cooler closed with duct tape or similar. Most of your dry ice should be on top of the food, less underneath. Cooler in trunk and drive on!
Source of dry ice unknown in your area? Call your volunteer fire company, EMT's, or an ambulance supply house - don't know why but they seem to carry it on ambulances. Have seen it for sale recently in several regular grocery stores near Chesapeake Bay - purpose uncertain, I suspect bolstering refrigeration on some long haul cruising sailboats on their way to the islands.
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From: DanH Dec-19 11:38 pm
To: JTC1 (6 of 23)
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Check with welding supply outfits for dry ice, if you don't find another source. Also, usually one of the frozen food distributors in your area will have the stuff, or know how to get it.
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From: DanH Dec-19 11:52 pm
To: FastEddie unread (7 of 23)
114191.7 in reply to 114191.1
BTW, don't be scared off by all the dire warnings about dry ice. If you accidentally pick up a piece with your bare hand you may get frost burns on your fingertips, but no worse than minor heat burns. And while CO2 can build up in a confined space, it's highly unlikely to be a problem if you have 5-10 pounds of the stuff in a cooler in your car, especially if you have the heater/AC fan running.
To use dry ice for transport, just fill a cooler with your stuff, wrap 5-10 pounds of dry ice in newspaper, and set it on top of the food.
It's been awhile, but I'm recalling that about 5 pounds per day will keep the average cooler frozen, so long as it's tightly sealed.
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From: Ted W. Dec-20 12:12 am
To: ALL (8 of 23)
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Did anybody else used to get the dry ice from the icecream guy when you were little? I used to put it in a glass of water and play mad scientist.
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From: RalphWicklund Dec-20 12:31 am
To: FastEddie unread (9 of 23)
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These folks can answer your questions:
http://www.robertsoxygen.com/htmlfiles/Dry-Ice/Dry_Ice.html
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From: Billy Dec-20 1:29 am
To: Ted W. (10 of 23)
114191.10 in reply to 114191.8
That's exactly where we got it when we were kids! then we would put in cups of water or even better in the toilet and watch it bubble.
Billy
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From: JohnPJackson Dec-20 6:29 am
To: Billy (11 of 23)
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And when you put it in an empty plastic soda bottle, and put the cap on tight, after a while the bottle will swell to double its size before bursting with a spectacular boom.
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From: junkhound Dec-20 7:55 am
To: JohnPJackson unread (12 of 23)
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Also, you can inexpensively refill your own CO2 fire extinguisher by weighing out the charge in dry ice chips, then dropping that charge thru the hole in the top of the extinguisher and then replaceing the nozzle.
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From: DanH Dec-20 8:13 am
To: JohnPJackson unread (13 of 23)
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They had plastic soda bottles when you were a kid?
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From: Ted W. Dec-20 8:36 am
To: DanH (14 of 23)
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They had plastic soda bottles when you were a kid?
He didn't say "when he was a kid". Haa haaa.... Never grow up! =D
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From: JTC1 Dec-20 5:42 pm
To: Ted W. (15 of 23)
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Yeah, we used to get dry ice from the ice cream man.
That was always flat sheets and your block had to be close to the end of his run.
Later in life, when I worked for a chemical company at it's research center, there was a dry ice delivery several times a week - that was shaped like packing noodles - it was better for packing around frozen food.
Jim
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From: jarhead2 Dec-20 6:31 pm
To: DanH (16 of 23)
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What about using it in the confined space of a vehicle for an extended period? I would tend to think the CO2 would become a problem in a vehicle with the windows closed and the vent system on recirculation.
Maybe not.
I have a 5 day ice cooler that with ice will stay cold and still have ice after several days in the south Alabama summer with the cooler sitting outside.
I would think anything frozen then properly packaged against the probability of water will stay quite well on ice for a period of time in the proper cooler.
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From: DanH Dec-20 7:08 pm
To: jarhead2 (17 of 23)
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Ice will keep cold stuff cold but won't keep frozen stuff frozen.
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From: jarhead2 Dec-20 8:08 pm
To: DanH (18 of 23)
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Ice will keep cold stuff cold but won't keep frozen stuff frozen.
Your right but how long are we talking?
I have put a frozen turkey in the fridge to defrost and a week later is is still frozen to some extent to where we have had to leave it out prior to cooking.
Shrimp here we freeze in water. So you are talking a block of ice in a ziplock bag sitting in a bed of ice. It will keep a good amount of time.
I was more concerned about the possibilities of the dry ice depleting the oxygen in the vehicle. It may not be an issue but to pass out driving seventy down the freeway would not be fun.
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From: DanH Dec-20 10:38 pm
To: jarhead2 (19 of 23)
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Dry ice in a reasonably well sealed cooler will evaporate very slowly. Yes, it produces CO2, but so does breathing. So long as you're getting enough ventillation to breathe comfortably, and you don't have a whole back seat full of dry ice, you won't have a problem.
And the body senses high CO2 situations and you'll feel "breathless" long before enough oxygen is displaced to cause you to pass out.
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From: TheOldCynic 12:08 am
To: ALL (20 of 23)
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Gotta stick my paddle in here too. I use dry ice occasionally when I am shipping something that must stay very cold - like 40 below Usually buy it from the local welding supplies store, or medical gases supplier. Main advantage besides the low temperature is that it does not melt like regular ice, so no messy leaks. On the down side, it can be dang expensive.
However, when it goes from a solid to a gas in a sealed container, it can build up a lot of pressure, to the point of exploding and destroying the container and anything else handy. And a "low temperature" burn is just as painful and damaging as a "high temp" burn.
You would likely be better off to use a well-insulated picnic cooler with "blue ice" ( the store-bought gel-packs) or "wet ice" (the regular kind )- If on a long trip, you can usually find ice for sale at convenience stores, gas stations, etc and avoid a lot of hassle.
'Course if that ain't high enough tech, most sports and outdoor stores sell a cooler that runs on electricity thru your car's power outlet - the thermostat on most of these can be set to freezeing.
Doc - Th" Ol'Cynic
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From: BossHog 7:29 am
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114191.21 in reply to 114191.20
I just had one quick note to add.If you have a big chest type freezer and need to keep something cold in a cooler, put the cooler in the freezer overnight.The cooler doesn't have a LOT of thermal mass, but it does have some. If it starts out being cold it will help keep things cold longer.Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.
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From: Jer 8:07 am
To: FastEddie unread (22 of 23)
114191.22 in reply to 114191.1
TheOldCynic is onto it. I had an experience with this once when I was out west trout fishing. I caught a ton of rainbows & browns came up with the notion of sending them home to the folks. Lucky for me in the town 20 miles away there was a food distribution plant and I consulted a guy there how to do it. He was only too happy to help. I first wrapped them in plastic & then tightly in newspaper & was able to freeze them in the peoples home freezer where I was staying. I then brought the frozen fish to this plant where we stuck them into a very deep freeze, something like 50 or 60 below. Next day I came back & while standing in the warmer part of the walk in freezer I wrapped the fish in more paper and then packed them tightly together inside a thick foam container leaving no air gaps by pushing pieces of styrofoam on to & in between. Duct taped it shut, wrapped it in 3ml plastic bag and then wrapped it in brown paper, stamped it, took it to the local airport and mailed it.
Dad got it 2 days later, and later told me the fish were hard as rocks and almost too cold to handle.The guy at the plant explained to me that the thing with dry ice is that it will immediately start to melt slowly and that will create spaces where air will get in creating for thermal loss to happen.It's not putting something cold like dry ice next to it that will keep it, it's getting it deep frozen and then super insulating that will keep it. The guy told me that you could do it at home if you have a deep freeze & stuff will keep for several days that way if you do it right.That was 35 years ago. Nowadays I know that they make containers for just such a thing.I'll never forget that experience, and how nice those folks in Montana were to me.
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From: Jer 8:19 am
To: FastEddie unread (23 of 23)
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