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   Guest_ | Apr 02, 2000 03:53am | #10

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   Who is this clown, Billy Hines?

   I didn't look at the issue he was referring to but he says that the picture shows how "it's supposed to be done" I hate that look. Not to mention the extra work. I like to see corner bead run up to the top of the base board, and run the bullnose up from there. To my eye the 90 degree corner on the base looks better.

   But for billy to say that's the way it's supposed to be done, bull! Thats a matter of taste.

   Tom

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   Guest_ | Apr 01, 2000 12:47am | #1

   *Tommy B,

   I disagree with you entirely, from your assessment of the problem to referring to Billy Hines as a clown. Has Billy Hines ever referenced you, made some disparaging remarks to you or about you or do you call him a clown simply because you disagree with him?

   So I wonder if he were to call you a jerk now would be be justified in the eyes of the BT gods? We'll just have to wait and see. . .

   As far as the situation with the bull-nosed corners you may be right in saying that the end product is a matter of taste. The picture in FHB is a great shot of a good looking detail that was well done be Mr. Hines. How many have you done and why do you disagree with this approach? This topic was discussed here awhile back and the general consensus was that that detail was a damn good one.

   I'd like to know what your solution would be to deal with the 1/4" gap between the 90° moulding and the round wall? I guess you could always use lots of chalk. . .

   View Image © 1999-2000"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche

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   Guest_ | Apr 01, 2000 01:04am | #2

   *Hey, Joe...so's yur old man!..i want to see a 3d view of your detail.. and i haven't got the latest issue yet...that's my buddy...defender of the weak and absent...missed ya, where ya been hanging out?

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   Guest_ | Apr 01, 2000 03:28am | #3

   *Tom B. You state you hate the look of the corner detail, okay that's your opinion and you're entitled to that. But then you mention the extra work, for who? You want the dry wall finisher to put a piece of corner bead to a yet undetermined to him baseboard height then start the bull nose. I'm happy if he puts the bead up straight, and I didn't say plumb, just straight. Dry wall hangers usually hold the edge of the board back for bull nose. This would make running apiece of corner bead as a starter harder but not impossible. That seems like a lot of work to avoid using the 22 1/2" stop on the chop saw, but then, that's just my opinion.

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   Guest_ | Apr 01, 2000 04:15am | #4

   *When I read the artical Hines wrote my first impression was "looks good to me" , but I guess he wrote in wih a photo of the proper results to show. How else could you make it look right without using the 22 1/2 deg. miters on a rounded wall? Joe- did you mean caulk?

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   Guest_ | Apr 01, 2000 05:08am | #5

   *Joe, Thanks for making my point for me. It is "right" that the end result is a matter of taste. Thats why I referred to Billy as a clown, because he stated that it is "the way its supposed to be done." He could have said "I like to see it done this way because it looks better to me". I'm sorry, clown that I am, that I can't draw you a picture of this simple scenario so I can explain that better.Bullnose bead seems to be starting to catch on in my area, but is not prevalent. Mr. Hines approach is the obvious solution and his trim skills seem to be excellent, at least on that one joint. Although to me it looks like that corner was caulked in with moulding. I'd be more interested in whether you have any other approaches to this detail Joe. I already offered an alternative, and to answer your question, the bead is run from the subfloor slightly past the top of the base. From there it is radiused to feather in to the bullnose with drywall mud. I don't have a picture, but I will try to get one if you can't picture it. It does look pretty good. I think it allows you to use the bullnose to soften some corners while maintaining a more formal look to the trim. I also think it is possible to overuse the bullnose corners.Here's one for ya. He should have painted that baseboard, thats the way its supposed to be done ( I hate stained trim, don't have any in my house). That's a pretty asinine comment too isn't it. Man, for all the name calling you've done, I can't get by once. And I just used the generic clown designation and not the brand name ( Bozo ).By the way, how many is unimportant to me, but a few. Why, did a simple detail like that take you hundreds to master? I can assure you that I do plenty of work in a years time, though not exclusively trim. I'm pretty sure that you are a better trimmer than me.Good to see you posting again, thought maybe taunton gave you the boot! What have you done with Fred?Tom

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   Guest_ | Apr 01, 2000 12:31pm | #6

   *Tommy B,

   To the contrary you make my point.

   First the look is a matter of opinion and not taste. Somehow taste does seem to be the correct word. If you put both types together it would be MY OPINION that 90% would like the detail that Mr. Hines shows.

   Its also clear that you do very little trim work, "Although to me it looks like that corner was caulked in with moulding." All trim work is caulked in before its painted. How much caulk is used is a function of how well the trim was installed.

   As far as my details on rounded corners. . . I can use the one like Mr. Hines because I LIKE IT, that's MY OPINION or I can fabricate a custom piece for the corner that matches the bull-nose because I can.

   Whether you like painted or stained trim is a matter of TASTE. What would be asinine is to believe that some people like or dislike either and that they would not state their likes or dislikes. Most people do this by saying "I hate that!"

   Yes, you are correct I have called a select few Bozo's and Jerk's and I still will if someone insults me for no reason at all. What I find interesting about you is that instead of an apology to Mr.Hines you choose to point your finger of justice at me. Seems to me you called Mr. Hines a CLOWN, not me and simply for his opinion! I guess in some warped sense of your own reality it's okay for you to do this but, would be wrong for Mr. Hines to return the favor by calling you a jerk.

   The Taunton Press can do whatever the hell they like, it's their board and I really don't give a shit.

   P.S. In MY OPINION the way you say to do it sucks. . .

   View Image © 1999-2000 "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich W. Nietzsche

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   Guest_ | Apr 01, 2000 03:02pm | #7

   *You really do like to argue. You're pretty good at it to. I think all the Nietzsche is affecting your brain.Tom

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   Guest_ | Apr 01, 2000 10:56pm | #8

   *Tommy B,

   Did you ever stop to consider that I'm a very bad arguer and that your just worse than I am? That's more likely.

   Anyhow. . . IMHO you owe Mr. Hines an apology. We know you're a bad arguer now lets see what type of person you are. . . .

   View Image © 1999-2000"Whenever, therefore, people are deceived and form opinions wide of the truth, it is clear that the error has slid into their minds through the medium of certain resemblance's to that truth." Socrates

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   Guest_ | Apr 02, 2000 01:01am | #9

   *Fire!!!!!Thankfully, I live...near the stream!aj

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   Ron_Budgell | Apr 02, 2000 03:53am | #11

   *Around here (Nova Scotia) it's common to nail on a little plastic fitting that provides a square corner over about 4 inches and then blends into the bullnose. The BN is applied on top. (Ialmost said BS, but my mind was straying - as usual.) We use these a lot when putting on baseboard in three pieces, board, base cap and quarter-round. People who use the thin modern mouldings more like the plastic fittings that match the moulding profile and wrap around the BN. Can't you southerners get these things yet?