Good morning all. New subscriber, first time posting. Certainly could use some help.
I have a shed approx 12’x12′ and it is tucked under a deck with about a 2′ distance from top of shed to bottom of the deck, just enough room for me to squeeze in on my belly. Not sure how to correctly state the pitch of the roof but it is almost flat with the right wall /side approx 2″ higher than the other side for some drainage away from the house…well the fool that I am I tried to cut corners and used some tyvex I had laying around and put the tyvex on the roof sheathing and then the asphalt shingles on that…and now it it is leaking anytime it rains..thought I could get away with it thinking the deck would redirect most of the rain… looking for suggestions to fix the leaking roof possibly without taking the shingles off as there is only enough room between the deck floor and roof to lay down on and just about swing a hammer…..any suggestions on roof rolls, liquid sealers etc? a friend suggested “weather watch ” roll, but I thought I read that goes under the shingles?
Thank You in advance for any help.
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Sounds like the roof is hidden, perhaps you are not concerned with the way it looks. If so, someone will suggest a product (rubber roof) that will work as an alternative to re-shingling.
Obviously, as I'm sure you know, the only good solution is a complete re-roof(with tar paper not tyvek....not nearly the same product), however, if your rafters are big enough, I'd just lay another layer of shingles over the top. Maybe some of that ugly roll out(not sure what you call it, but it is a 3 foot wide shingle in a 100 foot roll) flash really well at house and seal between courses. It should do the trick..........I would suggest not taking short cuts next time though..Good luck
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If its under a deck, just go to the roofing supply house and get a piece of EPDM.
Quick and easy, one piece, glue it down, then go on the deck and relax.
Edited 6/22/2008 1:34 pm ET by MSA1
MSA1 seems to have a reasonable point of view ... food for thought, anyway. Maybe it will help you come up w/ even another alternative.
You don't have a roof that is leaking.
You have a pile of shingles that is storing rain for a dry year.
The pitch is way too shallow for shingles but sounds OK for a metal roof. And you can screw down metal easier than you can swing a hammer up under there.
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a pile of shingles that is storing rain for a dry year.
LOL!
you can screw down metal easier than you can swing a hammer up under there.
With only two feet of headroom, even a skinny bugger like you (or me) would have trouble getting in there with a screwgun or anything else. I see it two ways:
1. He pulls up the deck boards above this shed, does the roofing job, and reinstalls the deck boards; or
2. He builds a free-standing 12x12 roof deck outta ½" OSB on 1x sleepers, glues some EPDM to it, and then slides it in there on top of the existing roof. (I can think of three or four ways to attach it, depending on side access and æsthetic requirements.)
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With only two feet of headroom, even a skinny bugger like you (or me) would have trouble getting in there with a screwgun or anything else. I see it two ways:
It being a shed, and under a deck, plain-ol' V-drip sheet roofing ought to go in with a right-angle drill and a 5/16 or 7/16 socket driver installed.
My guess is that this shed will not neatly slide out from under the existing deck on skids to make the work easier.
Pulling up the deck above causes me to cipher this image. Reaching down through 16" OC joists, then down another 22-28" until the new roof surface is reached--or a "couple feet" plus joist depth, which could be a yard or so up to the existing deck. makes my arms hurt just thinking about it <g>
Hmm, ±2" in ±12'; ok, so that's 1" in 6' or 1/6" in 12"--shallow pitch for plumbing, let alone a roof. Probably not enough for roll roofing other than epdm or the like.
Hmm, philosophical question: Easier to build the roof first, then tip the shed walls up underneath that? Flashing details would be a bear. But, better than trying to "properly" roof (as in getting a 1/12 pitch) under the existing deck, maybe?Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
Reaching down through 16" OC joists, then down another 22-28" until the new roof surface is reached--
No, no, no. Kneel on the roof and just work around the joists. Don't stand on the deck just because it's there.... ;-)
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....
No, no, no. Kneel on the roof and just work around the joists
Huh. The way I cipher it, the shed roof is close to a meter below the finshed deck surface (to have two foot clear under it). Just laying on the stripped joists will still be a reach to the roof is my imagining.
Comme ca:
--------------------------- deck
_________________ joist
"foot"
"pied"
_________________ shed roof (with tiny pitch)Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
Ahem...Dino can fit BETWEEN the joists ( 14.5") WITH a tool belt and a cooler for lunch and his kid..and the dog.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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So could you, last time I saw ya anyway.
You haven't by any chance picked up what Gunner shed...?
Dinosaur
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Nope..still 6'4'', 175 soakin wet.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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I really wouldn't find it that hard to screw metal down in a 2' space, but I had thought of pulling up deck boards to do it too.Might only need to pull one or two depending which way the decking runs. Since this is tucked under the deck, it is protected from wind, meaning that he would not need as much fastening as a 3/12 on the edge of the lee side of a lake. Probably a course of screws at the top, and a couple at the bottom that he could reach from a step ladder
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I really wouldn't find it that hard to screw metal down in a 2' space
Okay, I'm gonna call you next time I've got a job like that!
My favourite tight spot was the time I did a couple of days carp work for a bud with a remod business like mine. He had convinced his client the attic insulation wasn't up to snuff, and that he could re-do it by crawling into the attic through the gable vent so he wouldn't have to bust out the ceilings or strip the roof. The attic itself had no inside access.
We got five layers of scaffolding up and pulled the vent to look inside. I looked first. Wheeeeewwwwww. 120º air blowing outta there right in my face, strongly aromaticised by 3 or 4 inches of bat guano covering every rafter and ceiling joist. Add that to the swaying of the scaffold and I wished I'd eaten a bit less for lunch....
I gallantly stepped aside so 'the boss' could look for himself. Stuck his head in, pulled it out, and said: "Looks pretty well insulated to me...."
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"Looks pretty well insulated to me...."
Bwahahahaha
What kind of roof is it? I've pulled shingles and tiles and cut holes for the cell hose several times. Patched the holes back, re-installed the roofing and took the afternnon off.http://grantlogan.net
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It was actually the kneewall space in a gambrel. I be rememberin' better now. This was a long time ago. We were re-siding the gable wall with board-and-batten over those newfangled (at that time) pressed-fibreglass/bonded foil exterior insulation 'batts'. PITA. Needed 6" screws to get into the framing.
Yeah, it was a metal roof on skip sheathing. If I'd known then what I know now, I'd a suggested unscrewing the roof, doing the deed, and putting it back.
Woulda woke up a whole passel o' bats, tho....
Dinosaur
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My absolute worst was an older lady selling out the homestead, home inpsection Co. advised sistering the rafters due to charring from a past fire.
Ranch house , 14''x14" access hole in the hallway, fiberglass and rockwool, no walk boards on the joists..and freaking soot and charred wood everywhere. Summer. The DW was my cut man out side, me an a helper with the framing nailer nailing up the cut sisters poked up thru the hole..dark, hot, and every kapow from the nailer kicking up insualtion and charcoal...geezus, the things ya do when yer hungry for work.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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All ya needed to make things complete was a swarm of deranged hornets.
I had another one years ago; 1'-4' sloping crawl space with about 1' of mud on the floor most places. Cabin was sitting on posts with a non-structural skirt hanging from the rim joists and this skirt had been 'insulated' with 1" of old-style white styro. HO complained of wierd sounds from 'the basement' keeping her awake at night so hungry ol' Dino goes butt up and head down into the crawl lookin' for the culprit.
Lyin' face down in da mud with 0 headroom and you've got yer arm shoved waaaaaay back into the dark around a post and suddenly sumpin' in da wall moves and ya hear:
ROWWWWWRRR!!!!
Turned out to be a mama cat with a fambly of what seemed like a gazillion kittens, hiding behind the styro panels. Y'ever get attacked by a pissed off mama cat when ya can't move, can't see, and dunno what it is??
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....
LMAO, No.
Sounds vaguely like my log part here, abou 12"to 6" room..I don't know how in the world they snaked the gas line and a few wires thru there..must been a brave, skinny kid. Or tie a pull rope to a cat.
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"We strive for conversion,we get lost in conversation, and wallow in consternation. "Me.
Edited 6/25/2008 12:43 pm ET by Sphere
How about using corrugated fiberglass roofs? Lay 2x4 pt woods across the roof and tie down the wood ends with bungee cords to the side walls. The woods will keep the roof from blowing away. Since the shed is under the deck I figured the roof does not have to be fastened directly to the framing. Hope this helps.
good idea, but that would catch ice and debris.
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