I’ve been wanting one of those combo pack tool sets from Dewalt Milwaukee or Bosch, to work on a tree fort on the back forty of our property among other things.
I haveln’t heard many good things about Dewalt on this site aside from the 12″ compound mitre.
I bought the Dewalt 14.4 kit anyway with saw, drill, sawzall, charger, 2 batteries and light..
Any long term experience with this kit? I paid $250 used, did I get ripped?
Thanks for any thoughts
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pawn shop...
MTL somebody did and you helped the cycle..
what a bogus answer.... around here all pawn shops are linked directly to the local police dept and report every LOAN with item description, ser # and info on who pawned it... (this law was lobbied for by the pawn brokers btw) pawn shops are also given a list of people who are "know thiefs" to put into their data base... about the only time pawn shops around here run into a problem with stuff is someones bad kid stole the parents stuff and the parents finally got sick of it... only way for them to get it back is to press charges...
<former pawnbroker... pres. of pawnboker ####... sold out to a big chain years ago (kept one store for a famliy member) but still consult to the industry...
so next time you are asked a question... speak of things you know and not what you assume....
as for the dewalt kit... the 18v ones in pawn shops around here go for about $200-$250
pony
Duck - incoming rounds.......It must vary by state. not every one has safetys like that.Now, what about cross state lines. Thieves in one state pawning in yours.
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"Now, what about cross state lines."
In the '60s, on TV, they'd call in the FBI whenever state lines were crossed.
The FBI was an alright show, but in terms of characterizing federal agents, I had a child's hunch that 'Get Smart' was closer to reality than to fiction.
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they are here too...
but guess what...
I'll save ya guess...
1st place to go to get yur stolen stuff back...
Suppose somebody has a relative in the pawn business?
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REAL DEALS to be made then...
I paid $250 used, did I get ripped?
What difference does it make now? You already bought it.
Just wear it out and get you some good stuff next time.
I invented Coke with Lime.
The place has a 7 day return policy, believe it or not.
Unless the druggie that stole it from the last guy steals it from you, you'll probably get $250 use out of it.
Joe H
JoeH
Not all tools at pawn shops are stolen,, around here they require a drivers license to pawn and the ticket has your name and license information as well as a digital picture of you..
I know more than one contractor who had to make a payment on something and has hocked his tools to do so..
In Maryland anyone is possesion of stolen property is presumed to be the theif. Cuts wayyyy down on stolen property at pawn shops.
In Michigan anyone in possesion of stolen goods that owns a pawn shop is the OWNER. I got cleaned out about a year and a half ago. The detective told me (I had all my serial numbers) that if they find my stuff in a pawn shop they cant confiscate it but the dealer might give me a deal on it.
Good thing I recorded my serial numbers.......
Ohio is the same as Michigan. There was an article in the Columbus paper recently along those lines. If you have reported it stolen, it seems to me the police have every right to take it from whomever has it, as long as it can be positively identified which serial numbers do.
I think its fraud protection for the pawn shops. Whats to stop me from giving you all my tools and asking you to pawn them while i'm at home kicking in my door and calling the police to report a theft?
Still not fair but I think thats where it comes from.
MSA1, you are correct about pawn shops in Michigan.
I had an old friend that got his truck stolen (I've told this story in here....he was filling fuel cans on his tailgate and a guy jumped in a sped off). ON a hunch, he went to the local pawn shops later that day looking for his stuff. He found almost all of his big items (nailguns etc). Since they were marked with his name and a certain color spray paint, it was easy to identify them. The cops were called. The cops told him that they couldn't confiscate and return them, but they could put some pressure on the pawn shop owner. The pawn shop owner let my buddy buy them back at his cost!
blue
I guess their just legal fences. I couldnt imagine finding my stuff the same day it was stolen, and then have the cops tell me I have to buy it back.
I think the main problem here is that there are evidently, people (contractors?) that dont mind buying stolen tools. Thieves wouldnt steal them if they couldnt sell them.
I'm surprised that they have a seven day return policy but still, you bought it so use it and be happy with it until it wears out and then let us know if you got a good deal.
Sounds like it could have been a real steal...........<G>
Even crows act like eagles when they see a dying snake.
As long as the batteries and charger are in good condition, that's probably a reasonable price, and you'll probably get several years of decent use out of the tools.
I'm sorry, I thought you wanted it done the right way.
Thanks Ed for an honest answer.
There's nothing dishonest about the other answers
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Well Piffed, as always.
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It was the kind of answer I was looking for.
Why comment when you have nothing to say.
maybe you missed the idea that this is a DISCUSSION forum, not the kind of place where you can get answers made to order. The screen names indicate real people who do have things to say, and for you tro imply that they or the answers are dishonest is very insulting to them individually and to the forum collectively. if you were just looking for asingle kind of answer, a pat on the back for making this purchase, you came to the wrong place.
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Maybe you should climb off that pony you rode in on, telling me what places I can and can't go to.
I enjoy this site, but I find you in particular a bit annoying, eventhough you provide solid advice. It's the way you deliver it.
Nothing was ever said about dis honesty anyway, you'd brewed that up yourself.
are we being a little testy toninght.. skin a bit thin...
"It's the way you deliver it"
I have an idea ... if U don't like his line of crap ... don't read it?
This little idea doesn't apply directly to you ... and doesn't pretain directly to Piffin ...
it's directed at all the idgits out there that want their free advice wrapped in a little smiley face box with a big bow on top.
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LOL, I never thought I'd see the day that your reply was more tactful than mine!
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So whats the going rate going to be for this forum. What do you guys charge an hour? Or contracts only.
Point taken about not reading, but when its sent to your email you wonder whats been said.
Not too fond of bowties.
You can turn off your e-mail notification.
Whadda mean it's last call? I just got here.
The pay scale is well known. Didn't you get the memo?
Pawn shop praise dues are generally administered by the Industrial Mercinary.
Dewalt praise will get you Bucked off every time - unless you're talking about their CMS of course.
Piffin off gramps... well, Lord help ya son - that's a gauntlet runnin' offence. You might as well claim you own Home Depot.
Fortunately, there's kind of a grace period, (frequently waved when the coffee runs low, the beer gets warm, or it takes more than a year for a poster to break 100) where they stick to friendly warning shots over the bow until you get your feet under you.
But if you stick it out and roll with it, it's about the most informative and enjoyable place on the internet. You've been browsing here long enough to know that we all know something about everything - just ask us! I can't remember the last thread that held a straight line with nothing but truly relevant and concise answers.
If we fail to catch a cosmic fish it may be a trillion years before the opportunity comes again
Whats the cutoff age for being a son? Anyone over 50 is a fossil. Nothing wrong with fossils though.
It's a post count thing... piffin's other log in name is Methuselah
If we fail to catch a cosmic fish it may be a trillion years before the opportunity comes again
Golden WreckedAngle can be the diplomat of BT at times and it'll be in your own best interest to listen to his advice.
Cheers
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Edited 6/23/2005 6:10 pm ET by razzman
So-Wanna try again?
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I don't want to be thinking of you when I cut off my fingers with the guard up on my skilsaw. That is where this match started I guess.
I'm amazed at the depth of knowledge at this site. I've never questioned that.
Peace is good.
Cheers with a microbrew
Cheers!
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Speaking for two people, on their behalf, at once. Just razzin you man.
I'm with you re Piffin,so you are not alone,can't get into pontificate rs.
gunner-
We need the smiley face.
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I was hoping fo a little smiley face box with a big bow on top.
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Roar! Ya, that'll do it!
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How did your sign avoid the prospo ####?
I'm special.
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And you changed your profile pic again. I liked the old coot better.PAHS Designer/Builder- Bury it!
The one of the mighty bearded one?
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Yup. Looked like somebody you might not want to be downwind from.
Unlike this guy:PAHS Designer/Builder- Bury it!
I have the 14.4 saw, drill, impact drill, flashlight, and have had good use for years. the drill is probably one of THE most used tools I have on a daily basis, and it has been terrific.
Interesting to note,here, NZ DeWalt and Makita are considered the Rolls Royce of tools.
That's cuz you guys are down undewr, and everything is backwards there. :)
I'm sorry, I thought you wanted it done the right way.
At least we aren't guilty of this.....
http://www.sal.neoburn.net/imagef1/files/image006.jpg
He he
LOL, chevys maybe, not caddy quality and defintiely not in Rolls category
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did any body thank you for making him feel good???
I was thinking Yugo...
DeWalt has had enough trouble unloading those 5" battery-powered saws at full price (close to 500 bucks here) that I think they created this package just to move them, LOL. Up here, that whole package is now available new from a dealer for $349 Canadian, IIRC. Not expensive when you consider there are three 'real' tools plus that overpriced flashlight they always stick in to bulk up the look....
So I don't know whether you got ripped, you figure the exchange rate and the lack of the MFG's guarantee and tell me if it was worth it.
I wouldn't mind having just that little 5-inch circ, but not for everyday use: just for such things as trimming the sheathing up and down the gables on a roof...but until it comes down to the price of an ordinary circ it's a luxury I can live without. And the rest of that kit doesn't interest me much. I gotta tell ya, the metal tool case that comes with that little circ when you buy it solo attracts me almost as much as the tool itself. I hate plastic cases....
Dinosaur
A day may come when the courage of men fails,when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship...
But it is not this day.
dinosaur,
I've owned my little 5 inch dewalt 18 volt saw now for 4 years and it paid for itslf many times over.. I love grabbing it when I have only one cut and don't want to drag out three extension cords to make it.. I loved it puttting the shingles up on the roof and it's paid for itself many times over.
The 18 volt sawzall is (or was) the prefered piece over my trusted Milwaukee sawzall for demolition work.. I finally bought a Hilti and it's now prefered but only by a little bit.. As to the hammer drill that came with it!
wow! that thing sure takes a beating..works great and I always seem to have it in my hand over draggin out a cord.. I own many drills, Milwaukee, Hilti, are my preferred brands but lately anything with a cord is gathering dust.. unless I'm really doing serious work like drilling 50 1/2 holes thru 2 inch thick granite.
My only complaint, the 18 volt batteries only last a little over a year the way I use them.. Home depot wants $89.95 for a replacement (but Tool crib has them at 2 for $119.00 ) last year Home depot had a sale of two for $99.00 and I bought a couple of sets..
The 14.5 volt batteries are supposed to last much longer..
I'm gonna buy myself that little 5 incher eventually. But I'm waiting till I can't justify not buying it, LOL. If it hits 150$ it's gone....
On the drills and batteries, the mountain I work at in the winter supplies us with DW 18V T-handle drills to bore holes in the snow for inserting safety marking on the ski trails. We have a fleet of about 15 of them.
1. The batteries rarely make one season (4½ months of use in cold conditions)
2. The drills themselves cannot take the abuse. Two seasons and they are not worth repairing, basically....
It seems to me too the old 12 and 14.4v batts lasted longer, but I can't figure out why; they are all just assemblies of the same 1.2-volt cells after all. Could it have something to do with the higher draw rate? This is the kind of question Junkhound would know....
Dinosaur
A day may come when the courage of men fails,when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship...
But it is not this day.
Man, you got it. I cannot verify for the pawn deal guy. My old 12v from 1990 is still on the same batts, well, one of them.
The chuck is bent, the motor makes a noise uncommen..but. it'll twist a wrist still.
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" out of kindness, i suppose"
Towns, the original.
It seems to me too the old 12 and 14.4v batts lasted longer, but I can't figure out why; they are all just assemblies of the same 1.2-volt cells after all. Could it have something to do with the higher draw rate? This is the kind of question Junkhound would know....
A agree.
I absolutely loved my old Dewalt 12v drill. Great ergonomics, the batteries ran and ran and ran.
The 18v I have now? I'm a lefty and my hand always seems to push the forward/reverse switch in just enough to disengage the drive. Doesn't feel nearly as nice in the hand. The batteries last for a fraction of the time.
I always reached for the 12v. I think about it now before reaching or the 18v.
I liked the chuck on the 12v better, too.
All.... In my area Pawn shops are out for selling hot tools and Auction Houses are in. You might want to check for your tools there ,most Auctioneers will help you by asking the seller to come in after the sale to pick up his money for some reason or another and that's the time law enforcement officers can stop the cycle.
I don't ski, and where I live it don't snow, but I have to wonder why you have to drill a hole on snow for a stick. Why not tap it in with a small sledge?
I'm sorry, I thought you wanted it done the right way.
Got my first set of 18v 4 tools from Home Depot 4 or more years ago. Showed them the Amazon add & got it at a really good price. Built a concrete & block house and developed 4 acres. Fell in love with the sawsall and hamer drill. Within a few years I killed them both. Still use the circular saw when I don't need one of my "Serious" saws (so I use the cordless one the most of the 4). Replaced the hammer drill and need it regularly in my concrete/block house. Inherited an old corded sawzall and will live with that. Agree witht the high price of batteries. You need to keep an extra "good" one or two on hand at all times charged, or you loose that cordless edge.
The artificial snow we put on commercial alpine ski trails resembles real snow the way a concrete highway resembles a dirt road. It is hard as a rock. We use 8-foot-long x 1-inch-dia. bamboos to mark hazards and so forth. To try to pound them into the hardpack would require a steel point on the bottom, a bashing cap on the top, and a ladder to stand on...and it probably still wouldn't go in without breaking, LOL. Until about 4 years ago, we used steel T-rails to mount metal warning and 'closed trail' signs on, and even those wouldn't go into the hardpack most of the time without pre-drilling a hole.
We also used to use a device known as a 'bat' which was in fact a baseball bat which had about 18" of the fat end sawed off and replaced by an equally long 1½" dia. steel spike bedded in a 4-lb weight. It was meant to 'spike' a hole in the snow into which we could insert a bamboo. It worked okay on the natural snow trails--which in those days were much more numerous--but not on trails covered by 'snow'making. I haven't seen a bat in a couple of years now....
Dinosaur
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DeWalt is just a Black & Wrecker in a yellow case - Makita (for the price) is probably the best cordless out there - Hitachi 14.4 was good but pricey - but now they've added this foo-foo rice burner design to it and it doesn't look as good.
Milwaukee has a 28V out (in certain outlets) that is a lithium ion battery and has got some serious gonads! I've seen it demo'd at a trade show, and it blows everyone else away.
Porter-Cable used to be good too, but now that they're owned by B&D as well, expect their quality to go down as well.
Dan
The problem with DeWalt is not low quality, but rather inconsistency. Some of their tools are exceptionally good and very tough--like the original 12" CMS and the early models of the recip. Their gyprock screw gun is another winner. But others--most notably their cordless drills--are just plain garbage in a yellow case.
I think it stems from where each tool's design and tooling originated. The B&D 'empire' contains so many old independent tool outfits by now that their product development people can draw from a wide variety of sources for a basic tool design...and some of those basic designs just don't cut the mustard, while others do.
I happen to have a weird plunge router with a B&D 'PLUS' label on it. Tiny little thing; very handy to use and tough as nails. WAY above the general run of B&D. A true professional-quality tool. Turns out it was made under a contract label deal with a Swiss tool company called Elu IIRC. But that B&D 'PLUS' line disappeared after a short time on the market, just like their 'Kodiak' drills and some of the other 'tough' tools they put out before they bought out the old DeWalt company and started trying to push Big Blue off the charts.
DeWalt as a brand is, to some extent, a triumph of packaging and marketing. When B&D first hit the market with those yellow tools and that macho-look logo, they made a big splash and it did hurt Makita here (Makita had this market wrapped up until then). It was also fortunate for them that the first few tools they put out under the DeWalt name happened to be damn good ones.
But now, they're riding on their reputation. Too many of the newer tools are falling off the horse too often, IMO. I don't go looking for DeWalt anymore; I only consider buying one if the one I'm thinking about has something about it that's clearly superior to the competition. Each buy is a one-by-one consideration. DeWalt has not developed 'brand loyalty' with me, although they could have if they hadn't screwed up with their cordless drills so badly. Now, they have to prove themselves to me with each and every tool....
Dinosaur
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I'm sure there was sopme borrowingf from B&D, but my understanding of the way they resurrected the dewalt name was similar to how GM created Saturn - supposedly a whole new design team - but they werre young kids fresh out of college, specifically hitred because of fresh ideas and eneergy dynamics.They avoided presumptions of the opast that way, openning thed window to new lines of design and marketing thought, but they didn't necessarily learn from the experiences of the previous generations of design teams
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I find that the earliest of the Big Yellow tools B&D put out were, as is often the case, the best designed and made. Model 'improvements' made since that time seem to have had as a prime motive reducing manufacturing cost, not improving tool performance or reliability. For instance, the re-design of the recip case to give it a more rounded motor housing was most likely to accomodate a less costly but more bulky motor. Reports have it this generation of recips does not equal the balls of the original. (I know I don't like the look much, but that's neither here nor there....)
Dinosaur
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Based on a conversation I had with one of their tech reps, I believe you are right. There is a ;lot of "dynamic tension" between the marketing people and the engineering staff.
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Yeah--the eternal dichotomy between the 'makers' and the 'fakers'....
Dinosaur
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I'm not sure about the design teams, but B&D basically bought the "name" DeWalt. Seems from some market survey there were enough people who associcated "yellow tools" with B&D that they bought the name.In the interest of discloser, a friend of mine designed the four "contractors" tools (table saw, planer, etc) that they first brought out after buying the name. And he's no recent graduate.
Dino -
Yer right mostly - the old DeWalt stuff was excellent, and even the old B & D was pretty good - but so was almost all the older tools - a lot of tools now are junk, especially the ones made by a multi-conglomeration (I.E. B & D)
If you look in my tool closet, you would find:A B & D jigsaw (11 years old)
A Skill belt sander (9 years old)
a Ryobi biscuit jointer ( a great price, not a great tool)
A 14.4 Porter-Cable drill
A 18V Makita drill
A 14.4 Makita impact
A Milwaukee sawzall
A P-C recip saw
A Delta 12" cmpd. miter saw
A Delta 10" table saw
A Skil finish palm sander (12 years old)
A DeWalt orbital sander ( 1/2 price sale o.k?)
A RotoZip (not the Bosch-owned one)
A Ryobi scroll saw ($20 used and a piece of junk)
Makita circular saw
Skil circular saw
Makita hyphoid gear circ saw
So, as you can see, I've tried to upgrade tp better tools as I get older, unless I can't pass up the deal :-)
Dan
I still maintain it depends on the individual tool. I have not found a single brand that has no mistakes in its line....
Dinosaur
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But it is not this day.
Have you looked at Panasonic?
I think that is one he was talking about;)
Panasonic doesn't seem to have local distribution here. I've never seen their stuff.
Dinosaur
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But it is not this day.
Mostly just messin with ya Dino. Panasonic makes great cordless tools, but, has a very limited line up. Not a very big market presence here in the states either. Not in the big boxes - only certain tool stores. Like I say, Great tools though - if you ever get a chance try one of their cordless drills or impact drivers.
I agree - hence the varied selection of tools I have - but working in retail, I see more yellow stuff returned than any other brand (disproportionally too, I might add)
Dan
Question: would the <yellow> tools be the ones that sell the highest brute numbers, too? If so, that might explain the higher numbers on returns.
OTOH, I can't believe how weak the trigger, reverse switch, and drive shafts are on the DeWalt 18v T-handle drills. That model alone could account for a hell of a lot of returns all by itself....
Dinosaur
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Dinosaur,
the reason 14.5 lasts longer than 18 volts is because the cells in 18 volt batteries are packed closer together.. I've got old 9.6 volt mikita drills that are a decade old and the batteries are orginal..
So are you saying there's a heat issue in battery longevity? Or is there some kind of issue with cross-inductance caused by proximity of the cells?
Dinosaur
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But it is not this day.
Dinosaur,
Yeh, the cells that close together, that much heat generated shortens their life.
I bought the 18 volt impact drill on e Bay and neglected to note that it came without a battery or a charger.
Went to home depot and the batteries were on sale for $99. and the charger for $62 which put the price of the package in line with HD wanted for the impact drill with two batteries and a charger so I did'nt save anything by buying from E Bay.
I put the batteries and charger in my cart and while looking around I spotted a1/2 HP 18 volt Drill package with Two batteries and a charger which was marked down to $142.00 which was less than the batteries and charger alone. This was brand new with a case.
When you go looking for batteries for any of these tools you need to look carefully at the discounted deals they often have.
Arrowshooter,
yeh, I've given away several dewalt drills ,~ oh, it needs a new battery ;-) I try to have at least two batteries for each piece of the 4 piece set, that way when I'm using the sawzall heavily or the little circular saw I can have one battery on each charger one in the tool and a couple cooling off (cool off is very critical before charging) and still have one or two charged up..
One of my chargers has the deep charge function which draws the battery down, cools it and then fully recharges it.. keeps the battery from the floating charge problem..
Ebay is the place to sell stolen property there is no one to check to see if it stolen no ser#. Even if the pawn shops don’t have to list all of the stuff they buy with the cops each day. The cops can and do check the pawn shops from time to time.
First let me say that I've owned a lot of "yellow tools" and like em - regardless of the bad press here. That said, I'll say that I have owned all the ones that you mentioned and here is my opinion. The drill will be great. The Sawsall and circ saw are under powered, and the battery won't hold up for more than a few cuts. That said, they are great for that odd instance when you pick some 16' boards at the lumber yard cause they didn't have 8s, and the 16'ers won't fit in your truck. Or, to cut a quick hole in a sidewall for a vent duct termination up in the attic. The flashlight is great, I have 3 - 12v, 14v, & 18v and my wife always seems to have one of 'em.
Exactly my experience with the 5" saw. I bought it 5-6 yrs ago as a reconditioned tool on Amazon. I use it to cut plywood when I don't want to get the skill out, and I need to make a rough cut before a finish cut on the table saw. I use it for rough cuts when getting ready to mill up rough cut lumber. Much easier to haul around the shop. But a double amen to the under power and low battery life. That being said, I would not want to be without it. Hope that helps.
For your information I've owned Dewalt tools for many years I'm in the construction Businesspart time. I also work for the local school district as a bus mechanic and use a 12v Dewalt drill/driver, Life is not easy for tools there, and have had very good luck with my dewalt tools there. As for the pawnshop stuff sounds like some of you people have a "B"movie mentality (if you know shat I mean) greatway to find some good stuff.
It's just that there's more bad pawnshops than good.
be the stealyeyed laughing hyena owner behind the counter
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