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   rez | Oct 06, 2006 08:17pm | #1

   Greetings D,

   This post, in response to your question, will bump the thread through the 'recent discussion' listing again.

   Perhaps it will catch someone's attention that can help you with advice.

   Cheers

    

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   rez | Oct 09, 2006 05:17am | #2

    

    

   bump

   "When we build, let us think that we build forever.  Let it not be for present delight nor for present use alone." --John Ruskin Laminate is just a picture of hardwood printed on countertop for your floor.We can imagine something that only exists in our heads, in a form that has no measurable, tangible reality, and make it actually occur in the real world.  Where there was nothing, now there is something.
   Forrest - makin' magic every day

   
   

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   Edited 10/8/2006 10:20 pm ET by rez

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   RalphWicklund | Oct 09, 2006 05:28am | #3

   Which way is the adjacent room offset from the framing of the cellar door?

   You could borrow a little wallspace from that room by removing the cellar door framing and extending a pocket into the corner of the room.

   A diagram of your floor plan would help.

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   DickieDo | Oct 10, 2006 05:02am | #5

   Hello Ralph,

   Attached is a pdf of the layout.  As you can see the cellar and outside door conflict.  Because the stairs go down, I can't open the cellar door in the other direction.  If I change the hinge side on the outside door, it block the traffic flow in the kitchen.  My hope was a folding or roll door.  The folding door that I have seen don't colapse enough so that lead me to consider a roll door but sideway instead of the normal pull up.  My hope was that it would be flexible enough to make a right hand turn into the wall between the bath and cellar stairs.

   Dick

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   splintergroupie | Oct 09, 2006 09:51am | #4

   Would changing the side the door hinges on or its swing (which room it opens into) be of any help?

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   DickieDo | Oct 10, 2006 05:09am | #6

   Hi Splintergroupie,

   I had considered that but as you can see from the layout sent to Ralph's post, I would have to accept reduced traffic flow in the kitchen or move the outside door.  That presents a whole other set of  problems as I live next to a protected wetlands and would have to spend 10 years of appeals to modify the footprint of the property.  As you can tell, I have boxed myself into a difficult position.

   Tks

   Dick

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   splintergroupie | Oct 10, 2006 06:10am | #7

   The type of door you are looking for is properly called a "tambour" door. I've done some looking on the web, but the widest/tallest i found was 60", so the vertical tambour idea doesn't look promising.

   I looked at your pdf and can think of a few solutions. One would be to use two smaller doors and have them open toward the cellar. At only a 24" opening, it would be a simple matter to reach 12" into the opening to pull them closed. You loose some width...

   The other idea is a little unusual. You would hinge the cellar door on the other side. The door would be two pieces, hinged together so the larger part could fold back against the outside wall of the powder room.

   If you don't like that idea, you could just relocate the present lock side of the cellar door to be in line with the powder toom wall, so the door opens flat (after you switch the swing on it) against the powder room. Nothing says you  have to have all your walls on a grid. You'd have to sheetrock and retape, much bigger job.

   You dont show any steps between the porch and the exterior door...can that door swing out instead? They normally swing in, in residential settings so the wind doesn't catch them, but if it's protected enough by the porch from weather, it doesn't have to be that way. 

   I confess i don't understand what the problem is as it stands. The cellar door must be closed to open the exterior door, but that seems like no big thing. 

   Anyway, some ideas in lieu of a tambour door.

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   DickieDo | Oct 12, 2006 04:29am | #8

   Hi,

   Thanks for your ideas and counsel.  Not sure what I am going to do but the feedback and ideas were helpful

   Dick