I am ready to start installing wide plank (6″ – 11″) pine t&G flooring on a second story floor. Based on previous discussions, I am putting down subfloor, then 1/2″ Homasote sound board, then face nailing the pine flooring down. I am wondering whether rosin paper is recommended in this application, since it is an above grade area where moisture is not an issue?
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resin paper is not for moisture control. It is a slipsheet that prevents drafts and squeaks. The Homasote fulfills this function in your case.
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listen to Piffin but use felt instead of rosin....
way better....
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Listen to Piffin he got it right except to mention one thing.. Rosin paper helps wood move.. Trust me wood moves a lot! It shrinks and swells depending on humidity. It swells during the summer with high humidity and shrinks during the winter heating season..
When it's moving it moves better on rosin paper than on tar paper. That's a good thing because I've heard the sound of wood moving to aclimate itself on tar paper but I've never heard it do the same on rosin paper..
"Piffin he got it right except to mention one thing.. Rosin paper helps wood move.."I didn't miss that frenchy. What do you think a slip sheet is anyways?
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so what happens when the rosin paper deteriates???
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Heck, after a couple hundred years when that happens, they are tired of the wood floor and put linoleum down over it.This guy needs no paper of any kind tho,, because the homasote does the job - think 1/2" thick paper is going to wear out?
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I was referring to the rosin going south...
found rosin dried our and crumbly... never felt...
note to self: read OP's Q a tad more better...
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Edited 6/29/2009 6:16 pm by IMERC
I normally use felt myself, but on renovations where we tear flooring up, I haven't seen that. I'd have to guess there was a lot more than normal movement to wear it out like that - weak subfloor maybe?
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dunno....
it was bone dry and crumbling..
don't think it was from movement...
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I've found similar, but I'm willing to bet unless the subfloor is failing, the rosin is 'trapped' in place, and fulfills it's slipsheet function. I like the idea of tar paper, but don't like using a tar product inside.
I've torn up 80-yr old floors with resin underneath and, while it was somewhat the worse for wear, it was still in good enough condition to function as a slipsheat. Heck, I've seen a lot of newspapers from the 40's under linoleum for the same purpose and even that was still OK.
Kinda fun to read 'em, but it always took a chunk outa my workday when I'd find those old papers. I'd always check out the ads and the obits.Mike HennessyPittsburgh, PAEverything fits, until you put glue on it.
so....
ya find rosin paper every so often worse for the wear... trashed even for what ever reason....
haven't ever found felt worse for the wear...
now... after seeing this.. make the call...
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Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
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Oh, I've found felt -- less often than resin. But it's not really any better or worse than the resin. Both are simply old. Unless it been wet. Then felt's better without a doubt.
That said, I agree with Piffin -- no need for either since the OP is using Homasote over the subfloor.Mike HennessyPittsburgh, PAEverything fits, until you put glue on it.
I recognized that But I thought I could clarify it better. Your answer was brief and succinct. I thought my answer elaborated on it. Please note again that I did not say you were wrong.
what pfiffin said.
I would use it. It's cheap enough, and I'd rather have it under there so if a squeak does develop, atleast you can say you did what you had to in order to prevent it. I think face nailing would be more likely to develop squeaks too. I pulled up flooring in my house a few years ago, and it had newspapers from the 20's as a slip sheet, so for those who think rosin paper is going to deteriorate, I'll say not in our lifetime. I also hate using tar paper. The flooring doesn't slide on it easily during installation, and it makes a mess of my nailer and mallet.