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I think you need to hire a steeplejack.
happy?
I am the steeple jack. I need to preserve the existing roof-iture, and reach the cornice..120' boom was shy of joy..we gotta erect an OSHA approved liftage system.
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Taller boom?
Y'all are insane.PAHS Designer/Builder- Bury it!
Tell how insane I am. I dare ya.
Dont bother with the clean skivies, they gonna be soiled by the time I hit the ER.
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Man, I am scared....120' up on a 12/12 scaffold set, downtown with OSHA all over me..any help?
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I am not a professional roofer. I am not a steeplejack, but I am terrified of heights and I think I just wet myself! I was quaking in my boots on roof jacks 10 feet off the deck roofing a shed....
Having said that, I noticed a cupola, and I am wondering
a) Is there a door
b) can you get to said door
c) can you rig a rope system and a harness and rappell down to the missing shingles and then make them spiffy?
Jeff...
I might be able to come out a window with parts..even so..it is a suck up situ.
I need a lot of bamboo and twine.
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seriously ...
I may be a short/fat guy ...
but I can climb!
U want help ... I love heights.
"just" as long as I can touch or hold on to something!
weird ... but I feel 100% comfy if I can bruch against something every now and then ... I remember a while back ... replacing a gutter ... 3 story house ... ladder jacks set up off the rear of the walk out basement ... so there's 4 story's ... then the backyard was more of a direct fall off a cliff ...
shoulda been something other than ladder jacks ... but that's what the boss sent.
actually tiring climbing up pushing the pic the whole way.
but once we were set ... as long as I could put a hand on the falling off old gutter ... I was fine. We got the gutter off ... and as long as I could finger tip the drip edge ... like walking on ground level.
Just how my brain is wired. Always been that way. Steep roofs ... not a problem ... there's shingles to touch.
weird.
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Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
It aint the up pucker factor it is OSHA that has me riled..
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yeah ... no backseat engineering around that problem!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Here is something i found on osha.I was doing a search on water tower painters after i read your post.I have a friend who built ladders for the guys who paint the towers .It was a simple thing like something you might see on a boat.Like a rope ladder pretty heavy duty.I will try to contact him tomorrow to see if I can get a picture.I was something he did for his father in law.Who just passed away.So i am not sure what happened to the bussiness.
Some OSHA stuff
http://oem.msu.edu/MIFACE_Constr_Div/Case_52.pdf
Be safe
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Maintenance works of spheres for Total Gazin Hauconcourt.
Heres another idea
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Edited 3/12/2006 2:11 am ET by prosecho
Jeeezus...I am screwed,blued and tattoo'd.
Radio frequencies? Ah crap.
I just deduced that even the FD ladder truck is not enough boomage..new mantra 'think like a pidgeon'..arrgghh.
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hope ya got a good color match for the tiles......and DO NOT call this doofus .
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" Wer hat den Idioten jetzt? "
Dew Wayne honey.
The secret to life is a calm assertive attitude. Your the roofer. There's been hundreds of other guys all over that roof. They got up there and worked all day. And we all know that roofers aren't known for their SAT scores. You gonna be a chic or what? Go hide in the bathroom.
Get a good groove going in your head and stick to it. "It's hard out here for a Pimp." Is a good working mans song. Want the lyrics? Bad B**ch is another good one.
I would have called a sign company that had a truck that goes that high. They have them.
Osha, Shmosha. Concentrate on the rules that apply to what you are doing. Tie off, ground man, what else?
If I got to come over there your gonna be embarrased. Badly. Very badly.
Rock the Tipi. 06
embarrase me.. I dare ya.
sorry i missed the luncheon date last week, we were frazzled and hit Pizza Hut in a tempo that rocked the salad bar off it's feet.
Seriously, if you can pull a day off from ATMs and hot little tellers..I'd hire ya for a day or two to werk this one out..I got my insurance fed to the 9's.
"It'll fly Orville, JUMP~"
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Your gonna be rained out the next couple of days. Call a sign company if the moneys in it for that. That's the kind of stuff they do everyday. Don't call "Jethros signs are us." Call a good company.
Salad? You should have seen the salad I had. You know it's gonna be big when they bring the dressing out in a soup bowl. We had a good time planning the pub crawl for tipi fest. That TGNY is a great guy for sponsoring it.
We're at almost flood stages here. What about you?
Rock the Tipi. 06
I uz just glad thet you got Grant off my azz..lol
Helluva guy..I love him dearly, really..being new to the hood, he took me in and edjemacated me in my trade..for that, I owe him a lot.
We got some rain, tornadic is possible..I moved the trucks to a safe haven away from the possible tree drops.
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Yea he's a good one. Told me if I ever needed a job he had a sub from Waco he'd dump to make ro...................... Errrr never mind. :) Bad Azz thunder storms this morning.
Rock the Tipi. 06
I think I carry some weight with him..sheet, it is almost two years? Pretty good for an unknown derelict like myself.
Don't tell anyone, but I stayed up all night ( the wife is gone) and figgured out the song " the weakness in me" by Joan Armitrading..on the Korg M-1..I still have tears in my cheekular facets.
I played the DVD of Melissa Etherige about 70 times to finally figgure out the minors.
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I just cued that song up. Pretty good one.
Rock the Tipi. 06
Which one? Joan's or Melissa...Melissa LIVE DVD is AWESOME
A lesbian femme fatal that breaks strings on a regular basis on an Ovation 12 string..my kinda girl.
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All I could find was the Joan version on music match. The mellisa live version doesn't seem to have it on there. On the c.d. anyway. Is it a bonus on the DVD?
Rock the Tipi. 06
Track 13, uggh trisadeckiapohbia.
Joan's version is the original. i gotta amp up my space no resonace in the room.
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Got nothin' to help ya, but there's no way in hell I'd be up there.
The stuff you do really impresses/ scares me.
What ever happened to those jet packs we were all supposed to be using by now?
" roofers aren't known for their SAT scores"
GREAT line.
Flash of spontainious brilliance.
Rock the Tipi. 06
What part of my tag line is obscured?
I ain't a roofer, yet.
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Didn't think you were a roofer.
at that altitude, maybe astronaut?
Stiil I like to keep my feet a lot closer to the ground.
Like 100 feet ( or more) closer.
I apologize.
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" the best investment in life, is a handle on love''
No biggie-
its not the first time I've put my foot in my mouth.
call me an idiot, but i dont see what needs fixed. Is it about 3 missing shingle tabs?
An inch too short. That's the story of my life !
bstcrpntr --- I hope to grow into this name.
idiot..there I said it.
See the missing greenstuff..AKA cornice metal?
Bird poop area
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" the best investment in life, is a handle on love''
Sub it out to a self-employed guy, let him bill direct....wave your middle finger at the osha guy as the self-employed repels down the slate on a cable in his climbing shoes.
Men used to be men...and someone layed all those tiles and did all the brick work...and got all the materials up there.
I am a sub.so take the fingr tude away
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" the best investment in life, is a handle on love''
ouch...sucks to be you...can't do it dirty, can get the general in hot H2O...doing it safe will cost more than the roof. Good Luck.
no it was my bad fer being cocky,,had a ruff day again.
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" the best investment in life, is a handle on love''
Sorry to hear that.
How's the ankle healing?
I still have no happy on the left plantage..pretty FU'd
45 to go. then I die.
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" the best investment in life, is a handle on love''
I had to go up 139 ft. in a similar situation on a big old stone church in B'ham some years back. Went thru the same "how the hell?", finally called my old buddy owned the local crane co.,He showed up the next day with a "man rated" crane and an operator who had the cert's to handle men on the end of that string. they brought s big rect. box and we padded the edges of it so we wouldn't break more slate than we were fixin. Loaded it w/2 men and tools etc. Had radios- went well. OSHA crawling all over. Made the front page of the paper next day,above the fold. good luck, Jim Devier
sphere,
Good luck..That's above my comfort level.
Northeastvt
Finally the pics loaded..hang on with me.
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It is simple...
I saw this in the movies.
all you need is a crossbow with a grappling hook. shot that sucker into the cupola. once the hook is firmly seated attach your handheld acsention winch to the wire. all that is left is to clip your fall protection harness to the wench and up you go
what's the big deal?
Charter a Chinook
I uz gunna call the FD for the hook and ladder rig..but they frown on fone calls unless something is actually burning.
Not a way to make alliances, I gather.
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"I uz gunna call the FD for the hook and ladder rig..but they frown on fone calls unless something is actually burning."Start a fire and call them. Then when they are there ask them for help.Seriously if you check around the phone books there will be a non-emergency number or call the main city/county number depending on what FD it is.How about a hot air ballon.
Thier hook and ladder is only rated for 80lbs a rung, I might could pull it off with a diet of kibbles.
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Forget OSHA do it at night . regulatory guv employees do not" work" past 3:00
Realy is there any way to do it from the top hanging upside down . Like putting drip edge on a ranch with no scaffolding , before OSHA got involved.
just climb the telephone pole
then shimmy up the drain pipe.
simple.
Jeff
Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
You laff ., Mo Fo..you laff.
See what I see everyday..and laff.
LOL
We didnt hang the downspouts, so i am leary of climbing up them. When I attach a D/S it is anchoered well enuf for fire escape.
This is the court house in Lex KY...I dont know what Grant was thinking, but...I am doing it come hell or creekrise.
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The first thing I thought of when I saw that photo was this....
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hey,at least the guy is on the clock........seriously, however he gets up there , the tie-off has to be above him .I hope it's T&M.
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" Wer hat den Idioten jetzt? "
In my inexperienced opinion (IMIO), I would use ropes and rock climbing gear to hang from the center structure, assuming it's stable.
I'm sorry I can't be of real help, but I do need to see a photo when you do figure out how to do it.
I really hope he gives us an update on how he pulls it off.
This could rival the mike smith thread adverse conditions....
I really hope it is an "in and out' fast fix..I really hope.
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For you, I hope so, too.
Let us know how you do it. Really would like some pics. Gotta be a good story.
Take care of that ankle.
Thanks. the formerly known liga ments, have left the building.
This ankle is used to Vicodin. splat is not an option.
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Just tie the hot air balloon off and hang down on a rope ladder. Or get some window washer gear.
Either way, we want some pics from the top.jt8
"If you don't make mistakes, you aren't really trying." -- Coleman Hawking
I have that funny feeling in the back of my mind that I am gonna hear "while yer up there...woodja just ....?'
I just accquired a new insurance policy..200 a month for 10k a month disability if I auger in.
That now makes me up to 400 a month for insurance, not counting my auto policy.
I wanted pics from ourfirst attempt at getting up there, but had no camera that day
I know it is 0800 on a Sunday, but I need a beer.
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I think prosecho had the right idea - think like a mountain climber:
http://www.alpiniste-brestois.com/gb_index.asp
These French guys make your little job look like a walk in the park on Sunday (not that I'd go near either one of them LOL - total wimp when it comes to heights).
Good luck, man. Grant got the job & is sending you up to do it - least he can do is record the whole thing for the Breaktime University archives!
ya know this is an imperial endevour fraught with" I shouldas"..I need a nap.
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" the best investment in life, is a handle on love''
He needs to take a backhoe to bury all the evidence when they coming burning into earth, like frozen turkeys thrown from a helicopter.
It's hard out here for a pimp.
When he's trying to get his money for the rent.
I think toteing cribbage will work, but I chose to have a few beers. Engineeering is not an option anymore.
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did you see the post a while back with a few hay bales and a 2x10??
in any case, post pics of what you decide...yer cahoonies is much bigger than me marbles!
good luck!
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Are your replacing the window frame, or just the sash? Or, just a pane?
Anything else?
blue
Copper cornice on two corners. We gotta set up on the slate to reach it.
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When I was in Hong Kong they had crews of people erecting bamboo scaffolding on high rise buildings, up 25 stories and no serious problems. What's the problem here? Looks like a piece of cake from where I stand.
This ain't Hong Kong , and from where you stand is a moot point.
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Sphere,
Rent this.
http://www.nesrentals.com/equipment/product_detail.aspx?oid=3723
KK
we had that..it puckred out at 88 feet, btdt wore out the tee shirt.
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I got the right stuff today. Roof scaffold that hooks to the roof like a roof jack and adjusts to the pitch. Then you build on top of that. Josh and Mike will be there to help you guys set up and tear down. Meet at the shop in the AM.Birth, school, work, death.....................
http://grantlogan.net/
Good enuf. Seeyou at 0800.
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" the best investment in life, is a handle on love''
You forgot to tell him to clean the crap out of his pants.
It's hard out here for a pimp.
When he's trying to get his money for the rent.
Repeat 3 times
One side's done. Sphere will be along later to recount the adventure, but here's a pic of the last piece of scaffold going up.Birth, school, work, death.....................
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I called your daughter Duane this afternoon and he told me he was the ground man. What you wouldn't let him take his purse up there with him?
Cuz the boyz n tha hood are always hard.
You come talkin that trash, we'll pull your card.
Edited 3/14/2006 6:37 pm ET by Gunner
I guess somebody had to be the ground man. The young guys seemed to be enjoying it up there. Dale seemed pretty comfortable up there.Birth, school, work, death.....................
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I'm glad he ran the ground too. His luck doesn't run well enough for that kind of stuff.
Cuz the boyz n tha hood are always hard.
You come talkin that trash, we'll pull your card.
It's all over but the paperwork.Sorry about the size of some of these, but they need to be fairly big.Birth, school, work, death.....................
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Looks comfy. Are the upper scaffolds held in through the windows, or what?
How long does that copper look shiny, anyway?
zak
....How long does that copper look shiny, anyway?A few days. It'll dull in the first rain. But it'll take about a hundred years to get as green as the rest.Birth, school, work, death.....................
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How exactly is that working?
Cuz the boyz n tha hood are always hard.
You come talkin that trash, we'll pull your card.
No comprendez, dewd.Birth, school, work, death.....................
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Sorry I guess that was jibberish. How is the set up put together and anchored down? How did the mighty Dale get too it? Pretty industreous looking. I'm glad I was busy that day.
Cuz the boyz n tha hood are always hard.
You come talkin that trash, we'll pull your card.
They took up some slate and nailed a 2x12 block to the roof deck. To that they nailed a 6' 2x12 laying on top of the slate. The adjustable roof scaffold that I borrowed from my mason buddy got nailed (screwed) to that. That leveled everything for the regular scaffold on top. Our worker's comp carriers office is in the skyscraper across the street. He saw us and came out and did a little critiquing. We made him happy and he went away. It took about an hour to do the job and a day to set up and tear down.Birth, school, work, death.....................
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Glad you got that over with. Congrats you deserve a frosty one.
Cuz the boyz n tha hood are always hard.
You come talkin that trash, we'll pull your card.
Laptops are cool. I'm sitting in the tub, drinking a Heinie, doing the forum thing. My wimmens are at church, the dogs taking a nap, life's good. Might have to get a paper route to pay the osha fine though. But that's tomorrow.Birth, school, work, death.....................
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I just got a statement from SSI I have enough built up to draw sixteen hundred and something in disability a month if I had an ailment.
I figure get two or three pairs of sweat pants, a good t.v with remote and live out the next 35 years of my life expectency in my recliner enjoying nothing but rest, and carttons.
Think your wimmin are at church praying for leiniency?
Cuz the boyz n tha hood are always hard.
You come talkin that trash, we'll pull your card.
/////Think your wimmin are at church praying for leiniency?I'm just praying they don't pisss the lord off while they're there.Birth, school, work, death.....................
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Your in the tub, drunk, naked with your laptop. No lord will help a man like you.
Cuz the boyz n tha hood are always hard.
You come talkin that trash, we'll pull your card.
I gots my trunks on - I don't even like to see myself nekkid. Specially when I'm drinking.Birth, school, work, death.....................
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Safety barrier?
Cuz the boyz n tha hood are always hard.
You come talkin that trash, we'll pull your card.
new OSHA requirement ...
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Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Hey, I wasn't ALWAYS on the ground, I was up there too on and off. I just had to be the 'lookout' at times and view from the distance how plumb we were with the tower.
Being the oldest one and having a bad ankle has some priveldges.
It was just Dale and I tidying up at 530 PM last night, re-installing the slate and patching holes we made.
It was a hell of a feat everyone pulled off, Grant didn't share, but he even got some exercise unloading the scaffold, that 10' wide stuff is sweet, but a tad heavier.
Glad it's over, but we need to go back and get my famous 'slate ripper'/ red neck sword. It is still up there. We have a few slate to locate and re-install, only broke about 6 IIRC.
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Looks good. "All the comforts of home" on the scaffold, huh. ;-)
Yikes!
"A job well done is its own reward. Now would you prefer to make the final payment by cash, check or Master Card?"
Here is the end of the first side, if it'll attach.
Check yer email in the morning..
DAmm pic wont load
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Easy, a few steel beams thru the window and a bit of scaffold to work off, shouldn't cost more than a 100k...
Cheers,
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Can't get close enough to use one of those. The height is fine, but the horizontal reach is not adequate.Birth, school, work, death.....................
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what is the elevation and reach?
I don't know the exacts, but it is high and far.
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skytrac has various fork lifts with some very long reaches. my guess is that they may be a bit short. but if you can determine the ht. and reach skytrac has a manbox for the fork. put one on the lift and go yo work. otherwise the steeplejack idea is the best. get a laser measuring tool and get an idea how far you have to go. draw it out calculating the angle with an angle measuring tool and the laser and you'd have a better idea. call the rental company saleman for advice. last idea is a crane with a manlift (box?) and hang him over the roof.
I thinke we gots it hammered out, film at 11.
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" the best investment in life, is a handle on love''
You get that job in the rarified reaches done today?
I had a nice, easy one- replacing old HC lauan doors with new 6 panel masonite.
Had 13 total to swap, should easily finish tomorrow.
No, we had a threatening weather day..coulda upset any apple cart we planned on erecting.
We hit it in the AM, if the front passes thru in time.
Hanging doors..oh how I miss those days.
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" the best investment in life, is a handle on love''
I'm at the point where hanging doors is semi-mindless work- I've done so many.
But, yeah, it is nice to do something easy once in a while.
Good luck tomorrow.
Tanks..I got the game plan( I hope).
Doors is cool..mindless is cool..I like cool.
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" the best investment in life, is a handle on love''
SEMI- mindless
gotta keep enough braincells active that I don't do something stupid.
But it wouldn't be the first time, and I'm sure it wouldn't be the last.
Sphere,
how wide is the ledge from the bottom of the "dome" It is hard to tell from the picture but it looks like there is enough angle for a ladder. Would a 30 foot extension reach to the damaged tiles? Darned those tiles are slippery. I nearly bought the farm when I was younger working on a steep slate roof. That was years before OSHA :-)
Please share with us your final setup to get the job done. I guess I would look for a Grove crane with an extended jib and work from a bucket. Of course if you already have a firm bid accepted without tht kind of equipment factored in then it is plan B or C. Watch out for wind up there.
Stay safe,
Virginbuild
in all honesty, i would call a ladder/scaffolding company and have them give you a bid for scaffolding sufficient to reach that, otherwise I wouldn't do it. I suffered a fall injury a few years ago and my brain won't let me do where I used to.
Oh and I wouldn't do it anyway, I'd hire someone or convince my partner to. I was just doing a demo last week and 10' up standing on 2 x 8's over a naked slab below made me freeze up and move like a sloth.
I could see myself on some teevee show, "..and she's been standing with one foot on the window sill and the other perched over the scaffolding and breathing heavy for about four hours now..."
We did it, I'll try to load the pic ONE MORE time then it's quitsville.
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Alrighty then! Job welld done!one nice thing about scaffolding companies is that they share some of your liability as well. As long as you behave properly on them things.
And they know OSHA like the back of their hand -- they have to, its their bizness.
I think the quote was 15,000 to do that scaffold set up..thats a bit steep for two chunks of metal install...(G)
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Congrats for being able to pull this off. You deserve your rewards.
After seeing how you set up your staging, I'm thinking that pipe staging could have achieved the same effect, possibly with a lower pucker factor.
Mike Smith turned me on to pipe staging for my house paint job on irregular terrain. I find it much easier to work with, goes up far quicker, and is solid. A very flexible system, probably like the bamboo others have mentioned.
I bought enough for about a 30' tower plus alot of other parts, such as 30" sidebars rather than 60". I can sneak into little alcoves where the normal stuff couldn't be set up. I suppose it would have been prudent to rent the stuff, but I'll be using this over and over and over again.
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No rental yard in this area had either enough, or any at all.
I wouldn't mind owning some for myself, it is a great way to do the impossible.
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Yes, you are right about the price. We don't have a call for that kind of staging, since we don't do commercial exterior work. Don't think we'll ever go to that length either. We'd just hire someone like you :)