single Ridgway woman needs help, AGAIN!
My woodburning stove has been treating me well…Now, last time I talked with you folks, someone had a plumber in Delta. I wrote down the info, but have sinced misplaced it. Could you please pass on that info again, thanks.
p.s. for you guys that I promised pictures too, I haven’t forgotten. They should be done by Febuary and I will make sure I pass them on, like I promised…
what is it that you are trying to do, Smitty?
I am wanting to install a propane oven, to replace the exsisting electric one. The propane is already in the house. I would have to run pipe through the crawl space and up through the floor to join the stove and the pipe to the outside. You can pretty much stand through most of the crawlspace.
Then, I want to replace a very old instant hot water heater with a new propane one I purchased from Sears. Unfortunately, I can not put thte installation on my Sears card, they use independent contractors. And I don't have the roughly $500 to $700 cash that I got bids for?? The water and gas are right there, from the old heater, the pipes would just need to be brought up to the top of the new heater, and perhaps maybe the venting moved up a few inches??
I was thinking if I did a lot of the work myself, run the pipe in the crawlspace, drill the holes, do the water, then just let the guys hook up the gas, I could save myself some money.
It is not that I don't think that the plumbers are worth it, I just don't have that cash right now, and would like to get the work done. I am leaving town for a little while, and I don't want my roommmates to have to deal with it! I was thinking more around $300 would have been reasonable? I mean if it took 8 hours the guy's making almost $80 an hour, and I am almost certain it would not take that long? Am I being unrealistic, or is this the "let me charge this woman who has no clue about plumbing a lot of money" theory??
So, a few questions...someone told me I could use flex pipe for the stove, but then my fireman friend just told me not to do that? I do not want to mess with the gas, I know it is very dangerous? Any ideas????
gas line... you can use soft copper.
fittings: flare fittings are best
you will need a gas rated shut off valve at the stove. I also like to put one at the "tee", but that is not necessary. You do need one at each appliance.
As for you doing the work>>>> i would not have a problem w/ that...if it were done up to my specs. Where you come up thru the floor...I like to sleeve the copper w/ some pvc. It also shouldbe caulked w/ firestop caulk.
While I don't think gas line is rocket science it is a potentialy large liability. I wouldn't do the job as your asking as I could see it getting messy. If you run the crawl space pipe and I "just hook up the gas" , who will be responsible if the line fails the pressure test? I can see you would be willing to fix your own work but what will I do during that time? Hope you can afford to have me come back or will you fix the leak, skip calling me back for the test and turn the gas back on. In my opinion its too risky of an area to chance someone leveling their home and killing themselves because of a shortness of funds so I would pass on the job. And I have done many jobs with owner participation so that is not the issue. DanT
I bet you could get it done alot cheaper. Just offer a discount plane ticket to any of the old geezers here, that still think they've got it, and they'll come do it for free. Something tells me these embaressing old farts are going to put this thread over 100 posts in less than a day.
who u callin embarassing old fart....?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Check with your propane supplier about hooking up the gas. Since they're selling you the fuel, many times they'll do the gas hookup for a reduced price or maybe even nothing. I prefer for them to be responsible for it anyway. Propane, being heavier than air, will settle and pool in the low spots if there are any leaks, while natural gas will rise and dissipate.
$300.00 divided by 8 hrs is $37.50/hr.
am I missing somthing there?
JeffBuck Construction Pittsburgh,PA
Fine Carpentery.....While U Waite
Will you be pulling permits for your water and gas lines? Our local inspector is pretty lenient towards work done by homeowners, and will tell you right off the bat if the work you've done is up to code, and what you need to change. Might work out cheaper, and still a good idea if you hire someone else, as insurance that they do a good job. I know guys, "permits, no dam way" but whatever works!
I don't trust myself to put two pipes together, although I can do all phases of carpentry and most electrical...good to stick with what you know. Sounds like you might be right about those plumbers that gave you bids...has happened to me, but frankly you don't have to put up with it.
Keep looking until you find one that doesn't take a patronizing tone. I think your project should be $400,$500 tops; if you find the right person stick with em...a good plumber (like a good mechanic) is hard to find.
He's the Wethead Warrior up near Delta. i've probably got his actuall phone # and stuff available too if you want to email me directly.
If he's not available, I would give Ray Paul in Montrose a call, Ray's Plumbing and Heating.
FWIW, I don't think seven notes is out of line nowadays. I've done it myself in the past with soft copper and a few hours but _ don't know how the codes go out there now _ new licensing restrictions make for big liabilities so I have the propane tech do it. Last three were around 650 to 750 each.
I haven't forgotten pictures either...your credability and mine are both on the line here! They tink I'm trying to make time with an old gunnery sgt.
Like I could make time still...
Excellence is its own reward!
try [email protected] if his email address has changed i'm pretty sure his wife's is still [email protected] they're right in your neck of the woods (their place is up the colonna turn off) and dave is a hell of a handyman. tell him mitch in north carolina sent you.
mitch (in nc)
Im glad your wood stove is treating you well.
See guys , I was successfull to the sergent ! hahaha