Slate Floor, best sealer for wet look?
Hudson Valley Carpenter
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I laid some colorful slate on my front porch and steps, a while back. I’m about to sell the place and I’d like the slate to make a strong first impression. It looks its best when it’s wet so I’m thinking that I should reseal it with a product that will produce that effect.
Any suggestion?
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Do a google search - there's a lot of info out there, including real life product experiences.
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including real life product experiences.
What are you implying about BTers?
;-)
see if you find "Wet Look Lacquer" by Glaze and Seal....
if you want the the wet look....
this is the stuff....
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see if you find "Wet Look Lacquer" by Glaze and Seal
Thanks. I'll call around.
it's from/at a wholesaler item...
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see if you find "Wet Look Lacquer" by Glaze and Seal....
Says on their web site: "not recommended for dense slate". Thanks anyhow.
I like clear epoxy with 100% solid
that's even more better....
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on second thought...
IIRC the epoxy will haze a bit...
the wet look will accent the colors....
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I like clear epoxy with 100% solid.
Thanks BB. Got a brand name/product in mind?
Those are fine products.
But the 2 part urethanes look the same and offer higher psi's and no UV issues.
http://www.miracote.com/index.php?href=productdetail&id=15
But the 2 part urethanes look the same and offer higher psi's and no UV issues.
Miracote looks like a good solution but is only offered as an applied product through authorized dealers.
I only need a couple of quarts to do the porch and steps. Got any other urethanes on tap?
I got some in the basement left over. Come and get it.
I got some in the basement left over. Come and get it.
Sure, on my way east after I sell this lovely hacienda in duh valley. I'll be ridin' old paint.
Are you still on the left coast?
They got their factory near Long Beach. They've love to have you come by for a training session.
They got their factory near Long Beach. They've love to have you come by for a training session.
I'd love to have them come by for a demonstation. ;-)
You're close to a White #### there, aren't you? They are an authorized dealer.
Edit: gee, I must of "mis-spelled" "Cap."
Edited 7/22/2008 6:24 pm by peteshlagor
I ain't cogitating too well. That reference has got me baffled.
In any case, as I previously stated, their web site sez that they only sell the product applied, on site, through their authorized contractors.
I'm no "authorized contractor." But I do hold there training completion certificate - which means the company will stand behind me if the product fails when applied according to instructions.
I've also established a relationship with the regional marketing mgr. He has me set up with an outfit in Oklahoma that will ship the stuff to where ever I need it. 'Course, sometimes the delivery time is longer than I'd like... And I pay for delivery...
White Cap. The big building supply chain recently sold off from the Orange Borg after Nardelli shook them (HD) down.
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Are any of these close to you? I used to use the one in San Juan Capo. Now I use the one in Sheridan, CO.
I think IMERC is a fan of theirs.
Are you sure you want a "wet look"?
Typically glossy finishes on stone look
like hell.
I'd suggest using a tile color enhancer. It's what I prefer on
fireplaces and decorative stone.
Brings out the colors with out the varnished gaudiness.
Are you sure you want a "wet look"?Typically glossy finishes on stone look like hell.I'd suggest using a tile color enhancer. It's what I prefer on fireplaces and decorative stone. Brings out the colors with out the varnished gaudiness.
You're probably right about epoxy products. I'm remembering an exposed aggregate pool deck on a job I did in Texas that had a poured epoxy finish. It looked fine for what it was, but I doubt that I'd like that plastic coating look on natural stone.
I'd just like to see all the color that shows up when I hose off the porch. It's a BIG difference.
So...this tile color enhancer...got a brand/product name for me?
No, seems like every time it comes up I have to
go to the tile store and use whatever they are carrying.
So far none of the products has let me down.
In fact this winter I used one from HD or Blowes (can't remember) it
was fine.
Just look for Matt finish. Or better yet "Color Enhancer".
These won't perform as long on exterior work as some of the
epoxies odviously, but it should still be a question of how many years.
Try calling the concrete supply company nearest you.... not the concrete supplier, but a supply company for concrete products like finishing tools, mesh, rebar, etc.
I recall them carrying something of that type for heavy duty applications. I saw it used on a local stone bridge and it was very nice stuff... can't recall the name of the product though.
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Thanks Pete,
There's a stone/concrete product supply place not far from here. Of course there's also my tile supply place, a few miles further, in the other direction.
What I'd really like is a product name from someone who has applied said product on something comparable to a slate floor. Like what IMERC gave me.
This stuff:
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In my area, comes from a place called The Tile Shop (real creative name). Here's a link: http://www.tileshop.com/products/detail.aspx?categoryID=5&subcategoryID=4&familyID=785&Record_ID=4236
Thanks Mike,
The Tile Company doesn't serve this area and SuperCote's web site doesn't give dealer info but I'll make a few calls tomorrow and see if I can find it.
The Tile Company shows a price of $90/quart. Is that for real? The best single malt Scotch is in that price range but I've never tasted it. Maybe I'll just put in a misting system over the slate, let that keep it wet. ;-)
Makes the Miracote stuff look cheep. If'n I'm not mistook, I pay close to $100 a gallon for that APU sealer...
Yup, that's the stuff
And the price... It does look sharp tho.
Makes the Miracote stuff look cheep. If'n I'm not mistook, I pay close to $100 a gallon for that APU sealer...
That's the price range I was expecting...more or less.
BTW, I called the nearest White Cap, a couple hours ago. Rang about twenty times, then after waiting for a salesperson, on hold, for five+ minutes, I gave up. Figure I'll try them early tomorrow.
I should warn you. Usually only one or two of the sales guys know anything about the stuff. Try again tomorrow, but ask specifically for the guy that knows about the Miracote line.
I did mention the product by name. Maybe that's why I was on hold for so long, waiting for the one salesperson who knew about the product.
I'll just leave my number tomorrow, or I'll make a trip over there. According to the web site's map, it's in an industrial park, kind of out of the way. I suppose that's one reason why I hadn't heard about the company.
Most of their shops are that way. Guess the land is cheeper? Although the one in San Juan could be seen from I-5, just before the Dana Point exit (Las Ramblas).
Just to let you know and keep the thread alive for those interested; I got a White Cap salesperson on the phone yesterday who tried to come up with correct Miracote product but wasn't sure which one to suggest.
I went back to Miracote's web site but couldn't make heads or tails of it either. So I called the West Coast office and eventually spoke with a sales rep. Apparently they have a lot of different formulations for each possible application. He's sending me a couple of samples to try out.
Pretty impressive company with a bunch of different products. The prices also seem to be reasonable, around fifty bucks a gallon according to the White Cap salesperson.
Frankly, the website is a bit dated. It shows two sealers. I know that have at least 10.
Good for you to score the samples.
Not to highjack this thread, but ....I would really like to use slate in my kitchen (nearing remodel time), but I am concerned with scratches, damage, etc in such a high use area. Do any of the products that are being discussed here help with that? If not, is there something anyone would recommend? My buddy has slate in his basement game room and in less than 2 years it is pretty scratched up and dull looking.Thanks -Shawn
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Checker Contracting - SE Michigan
There are sealers and then there are enhancers. The difference being that most sealers produce little or no change to the look of the product. In addition there are water-based enhancers and solvent-based. As a rule, I prefer the solvent-based. These are sub-surface sealers/enhancers meaning they are absorbed by the stone rather than coating the surface (and being subject to scuffing,hazing etc). There are a variety of brands a good tile supply house, Mohawk, Dal tile etc, will carry them, but might not sell to you if you are not a contractor. HD carries some (look for the words "wet-look" or similar), but it is important that you test a sample. Not all slate is created equal. Whatever you do will probably take two or more coats. Make sure the stone is Dry...compltetly dry, before you apply.
Thanks. I believe that the two samples being sent are one each, water based and solvent based. They're both matte finish.