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My brother is doing some remodeling on his house in Bainbridge, from what I
gather his contractor has installed his new windows with the nailing flange
nailed to the siding, not the sheathing. Then he has applied a trim board
over the flange. I have told him this is unacceptable. In Minnesota, I’ve
never seen or done such a thing.
He called the window rep. who tells him this is not an unusual
installation. What is the poor guy going to do when he re-sides his house?
He has some Lindall casement windows on the front of the house and vinyl
sliders on the rest. Siding is a shiplap cedar 7/8″ thick, vertical.
Somebody please tell me this isn’t the way things are done out west.
thanks, Steve
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Soze, he didn't flash the head, the sides or the sill? What's a brother to do? He'd better take care of it now it won't get any better. Tell window rep to show the company spec'd installations instructions which warrant the window for....
I'm not in the west but I think you won't find any of your brothers builders here. Check a bar.
*That is not the way things are done out here.
*I've seen this done with flat wood siding before:Nailing flanges caulked and nailed to outside of siding. head flashing set into kirf cut in siding above window and caulked. I'm not sure how the sides were flashed.Trim instlled over flanges and flashing.Not saying it's right but I have seen it and it's better than just nailing and covering with trim.
*Steve,Just wondering, was brother willing to go the whole hog and pay for siding removal and replacement with all of the attendant costs? The approach Ryan suggested will work if done nicely. Who's to say that every remodel job is supposed to be done so that any future work will be all cake work for the future remodeler? I know I would like to see it that way personally, but 21 years of house to house combat has left me with the definite impression that most of my predecessors did not spend alot of time layering the job so I would have an easy go of it. Usually the opposite. If brother's job is being done by someone with actual technical skill, he's probably okay. If brother's job is being done by somebody who watched one too many home improvement shows, he's probably in trouble. If brother is not willing to spend the money in either case, he's probably in trouble. Too often, these dilemmas are seen as a contractor's problem and not (equally) as a customer problem, such as unwillingness to spend what it takes. I am not assuming this is the case, but I have seen these tendancies drive good work away at times. Good luck.
*Yes, Louis, he was paying to have new siding milled. I have seen plenty of remodels done poorly, but in my mind, there is never an excuse good enough for faulty, sub-standard work. Anyway, the contractor agreed without arguement to re-do the windows correctly. He has a good reputation and recognized that his employee screwed up. I'm just glad brother thought something was wrong and asked for advise, otherwise, he might have big headaches and added expense down the road.
*Steve,My reading of the original post left me with the impression that windows were being installed with existing siding in place. In light of last posting, I am amazed that a window rep. would okay that method of installation especially given that stock windows take into account a 4-9/16" wall structure, sheathing to sheetrock face. I have created extension jambs for windows to accomodate different thickness sheathing and interior finish from time to time, but not for a new siding dimension. I know mistakes are made, but to install new siding prior to window installation seems to be more than a casual mistake made by an on-site laborer. More like a project supervision disaster. Even with the flange under the siding, it takes some detailing to get it right depending on anticipated weather exposure. Some windows, like an Andersen Tilt-Wash I installed recently have a drip sill that is formed with a groove underneath to allow siding to slip up into it. I have seen others with no allowance for this, merely letting water roll over the sill, potentially down into the siding between the bottom nailing fin and siding. Most times, depending on climate, this little bit may dry out and cause no harm, or there can be worse. It all seems to be in the little details, the things that make a job good for three years or for thirty plus. Glad things got straightened out for your brother and the contractor.
*Make um do it right. If the job had a permit the inspector would make him do it over the correct way. That is window to sheathing drip edge above that then paper then siding. Tell the hacker to do it right!!
*So much water damage at the windows here in Puget Sound, that some builders are requiring water intrusion details. Not common, just have seen it done recently. Water damage is not a small thing, it causes big, rapid and expensive problems.
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My brother is doing some remodeling on his house in Bainbridge, from what I
gather his contractor has installed his new windows with the nailing flange
nailed to the siding, not the sheathing. Then he has applied a trim board
over the flange. I have told him this is unacceptable. In Minnesota, I've
never seen or done such a thing.
He called the window rep. who tells him this is not an unusual
installation. What is the poor guy going to do when he re-sides his house?
He has some Lindall casement windows on the front of the house and vinyl
sliders on the rest. Siding is a shiplap cedar 7/8" thick, vertical.
Somebody please tell me this isn't the way things are done out west.
thanks, Steve