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   JasonPharez | Apr 23, 2006 07:17pm | #1

   What are we tying to?

   I learned to tie a knot around a nail (like to string the top of a hip rafter) by making a loop around my finger, then twisting my finger around four or five times--place loop over nail and pull running end towards bight end to tighten, then pull running end away to secure. To undo knot pull nail out.

   Easiest knot I ever learned.

   Jason Pharez Construction

       Framing Contractor

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   philarenewal | Apr 23, 2006 07:40pm | #2

   I always just wrap the line around the nail several times pulling it tight on itself so it holds and then put a half bow knot (or whatever it's really called) in it.

   Line is tight, stays that way, easy to untie.

    

   "Let's get crack-a-lackin"  --- Adam Carolla

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   Sphere | Apr 23, 2006 07:44pm | #3

   I put a half hitch on a screw and tighten with the impact driver (G)

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   Heck | Apr 23, 2006 07:45pm | #4

   This thread belongs in Knots.

   :-P

    

   "Citius, Altius, Fortius"

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   Gunner | Apr 23, 2006 08:04pm | #5

     I never imagined it could be complicated. You got to be taught to do that? :)

    

    

    

    

   Pardon my fat fingers.

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   ruffmike | Apr 23, 2006 08:08pm | #6

   I am a twenty year carp that just learned that tip last month, I believe.

   Make a loop with about 5 twists, hook over nail, pull tight as hell and twist around nail a few times.

   Stays tight until you untwist and roll back up.

   Same guy taught me a cool little knot for securing material that he used as a kid bundling stock at a lumber mill.

   Always open for learning, and teaching something new.

                               Mike

       Trust in God, but row away from the rocks.

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   Gunner | Apr 23, 2006 08:12pm | #7

     I'm a big fan of the hatchet knot.

    

    

    

    

   Pardon my fat fingers.

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   BarryE | Apr 23, 2006 08:48pm | #8

   i use a halifino knot...though sometimes i miss a loop and it becomes a gopher knot

   Barry E-Remodeler

    

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   Sphere | Apr 23, 2006 09:17pm | #9

   Sounds exactly like what a buddy of mine calls a "clothesline" knot. Just big honking gobs string going everywhich way released , notice I never said untied, with a knife.

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   BarryE | Apr 23, 2006 09:22pm | #10

   "......released , notice I never said untied, with a knife."that would describe the gopher knot...just one or two loops away from a real knot

   Barry E-Remodeler

    

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   Sphere | Apr 23, 2006 09:42pm | #11

   Oh I caught it. LOL

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   MisterT | Apr 24, 2006 12:01am | #12

   My extension cord knows how to tie more knots than I do... 

   Mr. T. 

   "My sincere view is that the commitment of our forces to this fight was done with a casualness and swagger that are the special province of those who have never had to execute these missions - or bury the results." - Retired Marine Lt. Gen. Gregory Newbold.

    

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   ronbudgell | Apr 24, 2006 12:18am | #13

   I use a tug boat hitch which is the same hitch as used to be used for ship's mooring lines to hitch them onto the capstan or windlass.

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   Piffin | Apr 24, 2006 12:57am | #15

   You just never quit. I couldn't work with you. I'd spend all my time laughing 

    

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   ruffmike | Apr 24, 2006 04:15am | #20

   As a longtime boat owner. I prefer the knife knot.                            Mike

       Trust in God, but row away from the rocks.

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   Gunner | Apr 24, 2006 06:03am | #21

     Yea I could see the need to be subtle about it. Given the circumstances.

    

    

    

    

   Pardon my fat fingers.

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   segundo | Apr 24, 2006 11:46am | #22

   it seems to me you are disscussing a "mason's knot".

   if you are tieing a knot in a string line to to pull tight between two points to establish a layout line, straight edge (plumb and line), or horizontal level line(CMU blocks or bricks), the first knot can be a simple loop and then hung on a nail.

   the second knot will be the one used to tension the line and for this purpose the mason;s knot is superior.

   it is made by spinning, 3 or 4 times is enough but you can do 5 if you like, and then lay loop over nail and pull in opposite directions. pull live end towards nail, and dead end away. when tight enough to be straight pull dead end back toward nail and your done.

   if you do not use this technique you are inferior, and the only tools you should be allowed to own should be for cleaning, ie: a broom

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   BossHog | Apr 25, 2006 01:53pm | #25

   "if you do not use this technique you are inferior..."

   What a nice sentiment. Sure wish I could work for you.
   My underwear is too tight. What's YOUR excuse?

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   segundo | Apr 25, 2006 04:20pm | #27

   there was just a little tongue in cheek with that remark boss. actually i am excellent to work for/with, depending on your personality. i have noticed over the years that i get along great with co-workers or not at all.

   there are those that stubbornly refuse to utilize what are clearly superior strategies to the solution of common construction problems.

   i get upset with myself as well as others when i realize there are better ways to do things

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   limeyjoiner | Apr 25, 2006 05:24pm | #28

   "there are those that stubbornly refuse to utilize what are clearly superior strategies to the solution of common construction problems."That perfectly describes my last boss, ever month he'd tear me off a strip for not doing something the "right" way (i.e his way) and every month I'd give him a break down of how much time and money that the other guys and I had saved him using a different strategy.As for the string line thing, I learned how to tie a clove hitch with one hand, then slip this over the nail, good secure knot that's very easy to untie and quicker than all that twisting and wrapping that has been described here."Man is a tool-using animal. Without tools he is nothing, with tools he is all." Thomas Carlyle (1795-1881)

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   BossHog | Apr 25, 2006 05:58pm | #31

   Posting here isn't the same as a conversation - You don't have facial expressions and voice inflections to help get across when you're kidding and when you aren't. A smiley face goes a log way towards communicating when you're kidding around. (-:Hang around here long enough and you'll realize that there's more than one right way to do things.
   Tough times don't last Tough people do.

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   MikeSmith | Apr 25, 2006 07:30pm | #34

   geesh boss, even i knew he was bustinMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

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   MikeSmith | Apr 25, 2006 07:31pm | #35

   and we don't want no damn smiley faces..

    if they ain't subtle enough to get the joke.. well you know......

   F'EITCTAJMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

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   BossHog | Apr 25, 2006 07:56pm | #36

   Bite me.(Smiley face intentionally left off)
   Just ignore me - My Wife does

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   DoRight | Apr 25, 2006 05:39pm | #29

   How do you make that knot to tie bundles?  Sounds useful.

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   ruffmike | Apr 26, 2006 02:53am | #39

   Gee whiz, I am going to have to think about it and see if I can verbalize it properly.

   I'll get back in a while.                            Mike

       Trust in God, but row away from the rocks.

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   KirkpatrickFramer | Apr 26, 2006 04:13am | #41

   I'm a frayed knot

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   Piffin | Apr 24, 2006 12:53am | #14

   simple half hitch saves all that wrapping and counting

    

    

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   Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime.
    where ...
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   Notchman | Apr 24, 2006 01:35am | #17

   Actually, if you do it a few times, you don't need to count. 

   I've long done the twist and cinch method because it's quick and easy to undo (just pull slack and lift it off), you don't end up with knots in a good length of masonry twine, and if you need to cinch it up a bit more, you just pull slack in the tight line, pull it tight with the bitter end and recinch it.

   I always thought it was carpentry 101, but maybe someone here ought to submit it to FHB mags "Tips and Techniques."

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   bullrider | Apr 24, 2006 12:58am | #16

   easiest way i know: tie a loop into the end of a string.  then pull the string through the loop a little bit, slip that new loop over a nail or stake, then just pull and it tightens.  tension holds it.  to undo, simply let out tension.

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   DanH | Apr 24, 2006 02:11am | #18

   I use a taught hitch, so I can tighten it up if it sags.

   If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. --James Madison
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   ward121 | Apr 24, 2006 03:49am | #19

   Can't tie a knot...Tie alot!

   Try the old wrap and tangle!

   half a dozen Half Hitches will hold an elephant!

   use the Might Knot...Might hold...might not!

   I use a Round Turn and two Half Hitches myself.

   Old ships Bos'n Sends... 

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   txlandlord | Apr 25, 2006 05:49pm | #30

   I use a European double hitch bowmans inverted slip knot. Afterward we spray it with protectiive silicone and build a small shed over the top using a standing seam colored metal roof with consealed fastners and James Hardie Plank lap siding painted with a floresent glow in the dark paint, all setting on a very tiny concrete slab with broom finish to provide a non-slip surface.

   It takes some time, but the knot holds well and is all together comfortable.

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   RichBeckman | Apr 25, 2006 06:54pm | #32

   ROFLMAO!!!What? No rainscreen under the Hardie?? No ice and water shield under the metal?Rich BeckmanAnother day, another tool.

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   txlandlord | Apr 26, 2006 12:20am | #38

   Yep, all of that too. Had a meetng and no time to list all of the features.

   The security system is tied into a gps system allowing the police to be informed of the exact location prior to dispatch.

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   zak | Apr 26, 2006 04:10am | #40

   LMAO!

   Now tex, I respect you and all. . . but I've always thought that if you want something to last, you build it with stone. . . . and a stringline's gotta last, no?

   a little granite shack, with a standing seam copper roof on chestnut purlins.  Now we're talking staying power.

   And you're knot sounds nice, but I prefer to use an eye splice with a thimble around a turnbuckle (all hardware supplied by Crosby).  Just me I guess.zak

   "so it goes"

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   txlandlord | Apr 26, 2006 04:56pm | #42

   Hey, new ideas, but you know sometimes build methods depend on budget and cash flow. A feasibility and marketing study is in order. 

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    RRooster | Apr 25, 2006 06:36am | #23

    So what if a 30 year carpenter couldn't tie a knot your way.  It's just a damn knot.  Get over it.

     

    Grunge on.  http://grungefm.com

     

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   MisterT | Apr 25, 2006 01:10pm | #24

   ROAR!! 

   Mr. T. 

   "My sincere view is that the commitment of our forces to this fight was done with a casualness and swagger that are the special province of those who have never had to execute these missions - or bury the results." - Retired Marine Lt. Gen. Gregory Newbold.

    

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   brownbagg | Apr 25, 2006 02:04pm | #26

   it wasnt that he could not tie the knot my way, it was he was too hard headed and too stupid to learn new ways that might improve his perforamance

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   MikeSmith | Apr 25, 2006 07:29pm | #33

   brown.. kinda like me trying to educate you in the error of your politicsMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

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   brownbagg | Apr 25, 2006 11:53pm | #37

   yea, but Mike, you're my buddy, I would listen to you