Two questions on the subject…..I`ve done some, but not a whole lot.
(a) Have any of you ever made up your own outside corners? I hate the standard prefabbed corners. I was thinking about making up wood corners and wrapping with aluminum….then just butting the “j” cnannel to them. Of course I`d incorporate a bend on the corner to act as flashing that would extend beyond the “j” channel.
(b) Window trim and fascia will be 5/4″ stock wrapped with aluminum. You all find it necessary to go with primed stock, which is considerably more expensive than say an untreated #2 pine?
J. D. Reynolds
Home Improvements
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JD-
Wolverine and a few others make some really nice corner posts with the look you're trying to achieve- I'd take a look at them before I'd bother making my own. They'll eliminate the need for the J-channel, which would take an extra joint out of the equation.
Regarding the wood under the aluminum wrap, most guys just use spruce 5/4 furring rather than even using pine. If you wrap it well and caulk all the joints (install the aluminum prior to the siding and caulk to the underlayment) you shouldn't have any problems with water damage- besides, the priming wouldn't make that big of a difference anyway in that regard.
Bob
My concern with the corner posts is as much form as function.
We`ll be mounting spot lights on a few corners, as well as decorative roof support brackets. Will the prefabbed work for such?
J. D. Reynolds
Home Improvements
For lights just block the inside of the corner with wood. Pull the wire through and drill hole in corner for it. They work. OR Put light offset of corner and use a split block. I do a lot of vinyl and wrapping, never made my own corner, but if i did I would break the "j" as part of the corner, You can do some cool stuff with a good brake.An inch to short. That's the story of my life !
bstcrpntr --- I hope to grow into this name.
I was considering bending the "j" into the corner. Aint done a lot of it...a bit out of practice......but I aint scared!
The look of those fixture mounts that get wrapped with "j" channel is what I`m trying to avoid.
I`ll bend up some practice peices in advance....try and discern what I`m up against.
J. D. Reynolds
Home Improvements
We have used both vinyl pre made corners and made our own wrapped. The wrap is cheaper by far but of course not as quick to install. Probably offsetting in terms of money.
Bob is right that a number of the better vinyl manufactures make corners like you describe. Iti is a lot cheaper to build them on a normal residential job becuase the better corners are expensive in comparison. Good luck! DanT
Which brands do you guys recomend as being "better".
Like I said....I have limited experience with the product....most of which is from some ten years ago.
J. D. Reynolds
Home Improvements
to me, vinyl siding , aluminum siding and wood shake roofs all work by magic
how they keep water out is beyond me
if youve been sold by all the hype about low maintace etc
cool, go for it
magic
sure you may not paint it for years
open it up for a simple repair, such as a "small" rot problem
its a can of worms
I live where the wind blows and it rains
and most people I work with dont change licence numbers every two years
so my responce might be a little off to your location
I don't pre-judge what people want to pay for. I just price it, install it according to the manufactures instructions and make money. Sorry that you aren't able to profit from it in your local. DanT
Dan T
great answer
that answer will register for years
learn every day...............if Im not learning, sharing or teaching, Im dead
with the right contract, legal bull, your 100% right
I`m not a huge fan of vinyl siding myself.
Trouble is....I`m the carpenter....not the designer.
We don`t always get to work with the products we most prefer.
J. D. Reynolds
Home Improvements
and again I will ask the random vinyl basher ...
just which siding IS "waterproof"?
"how they keep water out is beyond me"
pretty much starts before the siding of choice is applied ...
and should be done so with most any common siding material.
maybe I've just been lucky with our moderate climate?
ahh ha ha ha ....
Jeff
Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Alcoa, (amazing I always think aluminum) Mohawk are a couple that come to mind. But any siding, window, roofing wholesaler can get you a better price and a range of products. I keep an account open at one even though this is not an area of speciality for me. They can also get you a broad range of colors in coil stock if needed. DanT
Capping un painted wood in a humid area, SE PA for me, even just seasonally, is asking for trouble. The wood and aluminum have two different thermal disspipation rates, which means you have a cool surface next to a warm = condensation on the inside. Water means trouble so even just primed trim underneath capping is the better idea.
I agree on Isamenon post I cannot stand vinyl but I also agree on DanT post "HomeOwners want them so I cannot say no"
When I build an addition or house I always use FJP pine, it's straighter then R.Spruce (I call it ledger board), cuts smoother, always is the same size and it comes in variety of width 1x4, 1x5, 1x6 etc... some guys use them I do. not
I did a lot of jobs with alum. corners (very nice!) but I bend them so the J-channel included with the corners (little tricky), but you can also use vinyl J-channel.
Certianteed Mainstreet or Monogram is one of best. If you're looking for smooth (not brush) finish I highly recommend Royal Architectural Series. Both of the Monogram and Royal has a 3/4" butt, Mainstreet has 1/2" butt. Alcoa is only way to go for the aluminum.
http://www.royalbuildingproducts.com/
http://www.certainteed.com/CertainTeed/Pro/Builder/Siding/Prodindex/Vinyl/CertainTeed/Monogram.htm
http://www.certainteed.com/CertainTeed/Pro/Builder/Siding/Prodindex/Vinyl/CertainTeed/MainStreet™.htm
Edited 9/6/2005 7:40 pm ET by MRinger