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What's the weight of that thing? And is it 10 or 12 inch (or metric equivalent?)
Edit: 10.25 inches and 47.3 lbs
"I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul." Invictus, by Henley.
Edited 6/21/2007 5:39 pm ET by NickNukeEm
It's about 55 pounds, and the blade is something like an 8.
I'm trying to drive my motorcycle, instead of my F150 V8. All I gotta do is replace about 15K miles of truck miles with bike miles, and the money I've saved in gas will pay for the Kapex.
I think most Festool stuff is overrated and way overpriced. It's nice, but most of it isn't unique enough to justify the expense. Of course, that's just my opinion.Huck said it first. I just agreed with him.
Jim, what kind of spirit levels are you driving?
As I've said before in these pages, you can buy a 48-inch Johnson boxbeam for 16 bucks, or you can get the Stabila for $80.
Does the Stabila yield five times the accuracy? Can it survive being backed over with your truck five times, while the Johnson only survives one trip?
I can't really say for sure.
Or is it just that $64 seems like an OK premium to pay, to get the level that says, "I'm the real deal," whereas, in sliders, an $850 premium is a little heavy, and who would say "Wow!" anyhow?
The Kapex isn't in play yet on this side of the pond, but Festool's Domino tool is, and from what most are saying about it, my biscuit joiner is likely to be turned into a door stop.
Gene
but Festool's Domino tool is, and from what most are saying about it, my biscuit joiner is likely to be turned into a door stop.
I'm wondering about that myself!
There was a thread on here a few months ago regarding the Domino. I made some accusations about Katz hawking for Festool(which I stand by) which brought on some colorful responses, some good some just stupid.
I felt that I wouldnt be able to justify the Domino because I didnt think it could do anything that my bisquet jointer couldnt do, or some other tool that I already had.
Katz offered me the use of his Domino for a month to write a review but I have no intention of writing reviews, I think the're a waste of ink.
Since then I have recieved a Festool Domino in the mail, dont know who sent it but inside was a note to try it out, see for myself what I thought of it. For a lot of reasons its doubtful that Katz sent me his, but mainly because I never gave him my address. There are a few people on here that know my addy but none of them would send me a Domino.
I havent had the chance to use it because I sent for a container of dominos and they havent arived yet. I intend to take it into our shop and let everybody there have a wack at it, I want to see what it can do.
I dont know what I'll do with it when I'm done playing with it? dont know where to send it when I'm done?
I have a Festool jigsaw and I like it a lot. I dont ever see myself having a stack of systainers in my garage but I would give that miter saw a good looking over when it's available. I've got to believe that there's a better miter saw out there.
One of my drawbacks to the miter saw and I dont even know if there founded yet is what size of blade does it take? and do they have to be Festool blades? If so I'd probably not own one. I dont like a tool company that is so insecure about their product that they have to make it so that the only replacement blade you can use has to be bought from them.
I do want to get a look at that saw someday though.
BTW, seen you mention the level thing a few times lately, the best level is either a Crick or a Smith, I dont like those yellow ones!
Doug
I'm anxious to hear about your Domino thing, Doug. Pretty nice getting a tool like that from a secret admirer.
I just started this thread out of boredom. I don't own any Festool stuff, but my friend has one of their Rotex sanders I've used, and it is a whole new level of RO as compared to the others.
The Kapex might be that in the saw class, too. Who knows?
As for Stabila and spirit levels, I think what is happening there is the same kind of marketing coup as what happened with SubZero and refrigerators, before others got into the ultra-high-priced fridge game.
If you were a builder at the high end, doing McMansions and other dream homes in the mid-90s, it sorta went, like, "If you don't do SubZero, you ain't sh*t."
Stabila levels have done the same in the residential contracting trades. Hype, smoke, mirrors, and a good warranty. But the premium? Why not just buy, say, three Johnsons, for 16 bucks each, store two, and see if you can make it to retirement, just using one at a time. Buy a share of Whole Foods with the savings.
I picked up a Domino becauase I was working on a couple of staircase jobs (My first ones) and I didn't already have all the tricks of the trades and special tools up my sleeves/I made my life so much more simple for joining the handrails and I used if intstead of dowels for attaching the paint grade poplar square balusters on the basement staircase.Also used it in place of where I would have used the biscuit jointer for some seams in the skirtboard stock - the tool really works well. It is so well designed and works so accurately in so little time that you start to realize how many ways you can use it to create and build.The cutters can be changed in as little as 1-2 minutes tops - everything about it is perfectly designed.I was on the fence and close to treating myself - but the stair job made me get it - no regrets.Anyone want to buy my PC 557 biscuit setup? Or my Delta Mortiser? Have no use for either anymore.JT
Julian
Do you really like the Domino that much? Sounds like your convinced!
I'm waiting for some dominos to get here so that I can try the thing out. Seams like I ordered them about 4 weeks ago, dont know why it's taking so long.
You mention the Delta Mortiser, you serious? The mortiser will do a much deeper mortis, right? I cant see the domino doing full mortis doors - either cabinet or man doors but I'll admit that I havnt pluged the thing in yet so.........
Doug
It's true that the stand-alone mortiser will do larger holes but it's also true that I've never really used it mych anyways and for those times when I need something heavier duty than the Domino - I'll just multiply how many I use - You'd have a pretty heavy duty joint using 6-8 of the larger ones.It is a helluva lot better that my biscuit jointer though - no comparison - I'll never use that ever again.Which Festool jisaw do you have the barrel or d handle?I've been thinking about getting the Festool JS - prob barrel grip for use when cutting curves in built up countertops. Sold my Bosch 1587 when I got the 18 volt version - but they both suck for curves.Gotta say - I really like those systainer boxes - very cool the way they attch to one another.JT
I have the D-handle, never tried the barrel grip.
I have a Bosch jig saw and I don't see any comparison between the two tools, Festool hands down the better jigsaw.
I don't see myself with a stack of systainers though, I like random organization!
I've tried out one of their sanders and was really impressed, if I was in the market to buy another ROS I'd look no further then Festool for one.
I'm anxious to get some bisquets to give the domino a try.
We have a 6 head molder at work, one of the features is that you can get very accurate S4S material out of it. The other day at work I was going to run some "faux dominos". I can set the machine to run any size material that I want so accuracy is no problem. I didn't though because I want to use the intended dominos first, want to make sure that I'm getting the full advantage out of that tool.
Doug
They are a perfect fit - just as tight as you'd want them to be - perfect for dry fitting.One thing about it though - you have to have a vac hooked up to it. Without a vac the cut is choppy and can get off course - with a vac - smooth as butter.JT
I really like the concept behind the domino but that $700 price tag is steep. I've seen a lot of reviews and posts from owners and everyone of them raves about it. The only complaint is the price but most say that it is still worth it.Festool makes some very good tools. Looking at their full line in total, they probably are the best tool company out there. I think some of their tools, I guess like you, justify the extra money spent while others are not significantly better than the competition to justfiy the cost. I've tried out their tools and would say that the sanders, plunge saws and vac's are the best tools out there. I don't think the jig saw is worth the extra $130 over the new bosch. The drills have some really nice features with the chucks but they don't have a lot of power and they are extremely expensive. All the tools seem to be very good but some are just not worth the extra money. I'll still buy bosch, dewalt, hitachi, etc.One thing I really like about their line is how everything is part of a larger thought process. They seem to have every little convienence figured out and included in the tools and accessories. I think they are moving other companies to build better tools, and that's good for everyone.By the way, did they say you get to keep the Domino? If so, I'll give you my info to pass along. LOL.
By the way, did they say you get to keep the Domino? If so, I'll give you my info to pass along. LOL
You know thats the funny part, no idea who sent it or what I'm supposed to do with it when I'm done playing with it!
For obvious reasons I'm not saying exactly what the letter inside said, amoung other things it does say to use it for a while and see what I think??? Whats a while mean!
If I ever get the dominos thats exactly what I'm going to do, but there will be NO tool review, I'll leave that for the guys that get paid to do it.
Doug
To me that means its up to you to define what "a while" is. I would say around 5 years. LOL.You don't need to write something for a magazine, but I think everyone would appreciate you posting back here about your thoughts. I always take the reviews with a grain of salt. I usually just rely on the majority opinion of the actual users and see if there are similarities in pros and cons.
No don't use it for a door stop---- they work great to cut jams that were installed below the underlayment so you can slide hardwood floors right under them.
The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax.
-- Albert Einstein
"Jim, what kind of spirit levels are you driving?"I have a 24" mason's level in my hand tool box and pack a 48" Sand's that GACC (Ed Williams) sent a few years ago after I sent him a Copper River salmon. I never could see spending a lot of dough on levels, they get banged around quite a bit.When I say Festool is for the most part overpriced, I mean the stuff they make that everyone else makes. Some of their specialty tools are certainly worth looking at - like the Domino. I had one in my hand a few weeks ago and spent several minutes evaluating it. I see the positives, but between pocket screws, biscuits, dowels and mortise and tennon joinery I get by just fine. Honestly though Gene, a heck of a lot of people spend way to much money getting all the latest and greatest tools. "It's a poor craftsman who blames his tools".Huck said it first. I just agreed with him.
Section 4, para. 6, subheading A, of the Taunton rules..."no pithy sayings or quotes without attribution"<G>
Now you done it!!!
you blaspheemed the almighty and righteous Festool name...You will be smoted thusly...Heathen!!;).
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."First thing I would do is shoot the carpenter"
What if I chant 50 "hail Fein"s? Will that atone?Huck said it first. I just agreed with him.
that and if you swear to use the dominoe for you next framing project....
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."First thing I would do is shoot the carpenter"
Never been up close & personal with a festool but what does it do that other SCMS don't do?
I would not buy that saw just because of the handle.
Were still using the Saw Buck from the 80s. Saving my $ for more Chrome, Tattoos, & a trip to Chile!
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Cool!
Got a nice, manly ring to it.
Kind of like when they accused Winston Churchill of degrading the proud traditions of the British Navy. His response - ". . .and what are the proud traditions of the British Navy? Rum, sodomy, and the lash."
Forrest
Ohhhh, good one...I've got a new folder on my desktop labeled "pithy sayings", my current job requires plenty of descriptive language, so to speak.....
We have a broken sawbuck, and one that works because we have stolen parts from the broken one.
Can't buy them new anymore from what I understand, please correct me I want a new one.
Love the sawbuck.The bad news is you've done exactly the right things to be exactly where you are today.
"IdahoDon 1/31/07"
You're dying for a slider? I'm guessing they're more than $0.12 anymore, but I doubt that you need to win the lotto for one.
Problem is, one is never enough -- four at least.