Ok, I just finished framing an average house with an above average roof. The house is nothing special…2500 sq ft colonial with attatched two car garage. The roof was a blast to frame…main house had two gables front (standard lg offset with sm in front of it) with the main being a hip. Not too bad, four hips and a live valley, buncha jacks= good time. But the garage was a front gable load…hip…but… what the heck do you call it (I’m gonna massacre this description). The right side of the garage begins as a gable, rafters taking off from the first floor top plate, and then “flattens out” at full height second floor wall, where it then turns into a hip. I know, I know that was a horrible description. I cut the thing with no problem, but ask me to describe it and I’m all jammed up! Some have called it a “bull nose gable”, which I don’t think is right. I wish I knew how to draw this thing or even post a digital pic. I guess the best way I can describe it is that it rises from wall plates like a gable and stops when the rise=the height of the wall. Then each corner of the wall has a hip rafter meeting a perpendicular ridge…with a common in the center of this second floor height wall butting the end of the perpendicular ridge(standard hip set up). The rest of the wall is hip jacks. God, did that make any sense?
I can’t find any mention of this in “Roof Framing” or “A Roof Cutter’s Secrets” Maybe I should search JLCD- ROM
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Mansard??
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I'm not sure if I'm correctly picturing what you're describing, but I'll try it in return:
Do you mean that there is a verticle gable end part way up and then it turns into a hip for the top 1/3 or 1/4 of what would be the full height of an normal verticle gable end? If that's what you're referring to, I learned to call it a Dutch Hip.
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I think this is called a Dutch Hip, yours is the opposite. Hipped Gable?
Joe H
Wow, you guys are definately on the right track. In your drawing, it appears as though the ridge is forward of "1/2 gable" wall. If it is, than, yes, mine is the opposite...the ridge stops before the wall...resulting in a hip. Follow me?
I think that the term "Mansard" posted earlier rings a bell. So a dutch gable would have the ridge extending past the wall huh. Sounds nice...something I'd love to dig into. A little t&g on the belly?....niiiiiicce!
Thanks to all
Like this? http://www.trussed-rafters.co.uk/images/barn.JPG
I've typically heard that called a "tudor hip".Join the Army. Visit exotic places, meet interesting people, then kill them.
Just like that...except mine had three different plate hieghts! Got a name for it? Tudor or Manson, possibly?
The site where I got that picture was in the UK. They called it a barn hip. Boss Hog says Tudor hip. Woody says dutch gable. Here are several sites that call it a clipped hip.
http://www.greatgarage.com/hob1.jpg
http://www.archwaypress.com/product.php/594.htm
http://www.vintagehomesonline.com/FPAldridgeXKBT.htm
We call it a docked gable.
We call that a dutch gable
I've called it a Dutch gable.
I've also heard it called a bullnosed gable.
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Sheeeesh...what have I gotten into? I think I'm just going to make up my own name for it. Hmmmmmmm "dieselpig gable" sounds good to me!
I've always thought of that as a dutch hip too, but what do you call the one Joe H posted the draawing of?
Steve
His was a dutch hip..
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They were showing two different roofs one showed a gable with the top corner lopped off .
We call that a docked gable I think Boss referred to it as a Tudor gable.
The one Joe showed we call a Dutch.
I have heard called dutch hip and dutch gable. My 1st foreman told me that anytime you have a vertical wall interuptiing the two hips you call it a dutch hip or gable depending on which of the two parts were larger.( the gable part or the hip part.
I usually see the dutch hip used in order to put a louvered vent in the roof (looks pretty too)
Here's how I understand the logic of these names ( Other than the facct that it seems like anything that is halfway is a Dutch something or other - wonder how that came about - like a dutch door is cut horizontally in half and a Dutch treat is where you and your date split the bill in half)
That end of the house stars out being a gable end until it gets halfway up and then turns into a hip - so it is essentially a gable tho modified in whatever way - so it is a Dutch gable.
In the other case - it starts out from the plate as a hip roof until it gets part way up and turns into a gable for venting purposes - making it a Dutch hip.
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You got me to wondering so I checked with Marshall Gross's book " Roof Framiing"
He is saying the same thing my 1st boss told me with a little exception.
He describes a hip that is interrupted by a vertical wall as a dutch gable and a vertical wall that is interupted by a hip he calls a Tudor Peak.
Funny thing is he doesn't describe a dutch hip at all.
Personally I like your logic better.
I searched for Dutch Hip and came upon this lively discussion ya'll had several years ago. Very interesting logic you use to differentiate between the Dutch Hip and Dutch Gable. I agree completely--even if we're wrong.
Disregarding the terminology for now, perhaps you could help me out with a framing detail for the Dutch Gable. I'd like to add one to help bring some character to an otherwise bland house I recently purchased and plan to renovate.
Thanks in advance.
maybe you'd like to answer the previous post here since you've framed one
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To offer an alternative to the 'anything cut at the waist is Dutch', while in OZ we recognise a 'Dutch' or 'stable' door, we refer to a half hip- half gable as a "crippled hip".Just another view.Lapun.
We call your roof a "Dutch Gable" similar but different from a "Dutch Hip".
Around here we call it a clipped or Tudor gable.
Rob Thallon's "Graphic Guide to Frame Construction" (an excellent reference) calls it a Half Hip on page 120.