Ok, I got a saw at 32:1, a weed eater at 50:1, a tiller at 40:1 etc…I don’t use any or all of them daily, but when I do want one, I want the right gas mix.
I have 3 red plastic gallon jugs, marked, and still can’t seem to stay on top of it..is there an ez way to keep everything at the ready?
Homelite, Stihl, Mantis, Poulan, Cub cadet, Echo, Mccollugh..I mean, can the heavier dose of oil HURT the ones that take a lighter mix? I know the opposite is true, I killed my CubCadet ( I think) by using the 50:1.
What is the ez-ist ( other than buying all new and using the same manu.) way to keep this stuff running right? Stale gas? Stabil? Measuring cups?
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How about cans with the name of each tool painted on them.................Or something I've done in the past...............I keep a can of good gas available and then I have a 1/2 gallon container. I do the math and make a chart of how much oil = xx:1. Then when I need gas I mix it fresh for each tool. What's left gets dumped into the lawnmower. Not my truck anymore. Not sure how FI would take two stroke oil in it.
Let me say first, what I'm about to say will clearly kill any warantee you might have.
My dirtbikes get run at 50:1 no matter what the manufacturer recommends. Since my Kawasaki is pretty high strung (ported, shaved head, pipe, big carb) Premium pump gas is only good for about a week in it.
Whatever is left over after a ride goes in the weed whacker or chain saw.
I've never had an issue. Not at 50:1. Not sure about 80:1. Probably wouldn't chance it.
Being an old 2 cycle motorcycle experimenter but never having dealt with that exact problem I'd try the heavier, 32:1 mix in the weed eater for one tankful first, to see if it fouled the plug or caused it to run poorly.
I wouldn't be at all concerned about the larger engine on the tiller. It'll very likely run happily on that slightly heavier, 32:1 mix, all day long.
The worst that will happen from those experiments is that you'll reduce the number of mixes to two.
I've found myself without a measuring cup quite often when trying to keep things moving. Best guess mixing, using the indicator lines on the oil container and adding a half ounce extra for safety has always worked OK. That's amounts to at least twenty percent extra oil so that makes me believe that your engines should all run OK on the 32:1.
Good post.
There should be some form of standardization of these mixes.
Or at least thruout the major manufacturers equipment lines.
Where do we vote?
I'm so farqing dense and use some of these so infrequently , I dunno if the I or the O is ON, on the new Stihl! Crist, make me a toggle switch in ENGLISH not EURO...I don't want to learn YET ANOTHER code/languish ( see the pun in that?) to cut my damm grass..How about an ON- OFF..in simple 'Do it- Stop it' vernacular?
Ok, I'm breathing deep..yanking a rope ( that NEVER rewinds JUST right) and STILL have a No-go.
What REALLY chaps my hide, is this Stihl FS55 is advocating a 'Break in period' of no full throttle for X amt. of hours..or tank of fuel..so..well..WTF, I want it at full speed so like a dip wad I ain't out there all day going ,, vroom,vroom. pissle vromm..I want to get the weeds CUT.. VROOM. Done.
I'm getting old or cynical, I suppose, I want a tool made here, that works here, without hieroglyphics telling me to watch out for falling trees when I am just whacking grass..and where the hell is the START button, spelled START.
And while we're at it, call it all 'Add oil to gas" same mix..is it that farqing hard?Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Your post has to hit the mag. Cause it's all true! We gotta stop enabling these cheepos to screw us!
watch out for old gas being left in the FS55, even with stabile in it. the ethonol in the gas will farq the carbarater up, and they are only available thru a Sthil dealer as I understand it.
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Sharpies.
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Spilt gas will wash that off.
Gotta engrave them.
Yeah, or freshen it up now and then.
Picked up a pre marked mix container, helps skip the math. Ratio and volume. Kinda handy;
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Thanks, damm, I'm smart enough to have looked there,,DUH.
Anyway, I got freaked with the "hurry up" syndrome of whacking weeds and cutting wood, and getting my FALL duties alighned..then I saw the fat bastid after his skin shed, headed under the house..freakin REZ is gonna have a field day with me, about that..
SO..I dumped the 32:1 in the Homolite, but my filter is AWOL, so the carb is plugged, I figgeured oot the Stihl ( man it ROCKS) but the string head sucks, the Poulan is dull, I am lazy..I need a new chain to get excited so I can switch..so now, I am snake hunting, this suckker is BIG man, 6'....8' is the record in KY,
I'ma going under the house with a rucksack..if ya don't hear from me in the next day or so..tell MOM I love her.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Yeah, Yeah good plan - you go get the snake and i'll go tell someone - I like the way this is laying out.
'Cause I damn sure aint going down there to get you.Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City
Amsoil claims you can run their 2cycle stuff at 100:1 for all. I mix for the highest ( think 40:1) I have and have had no problems.
Danski beat me to it, it works for me.
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Edited 9/15/2008 9:01 pm ET by rasconc
>>>Amsoil claims you can run their 2cycle stuff at 100:1 for all.Are they willing to pay for damage to engines that happens while operating with a mixture that contravenes manufacturer's specs?Scott.Always remember those first immortal words that Adam said to Eve, “You’d better stand back, I don’t know how big this thing’s going to get.â€
Are they willing to pay for damage to engines that happens while operating with a mixture that contravenes manufacturer's specs?
Scott.
Not a chance.
On the other hand I know guys who run some pretty high strung dirtbikes on 80:1 without a second thought or problem.
I stay at 50:1 with no problems
Amsoil would claim their stuff could either power the shuttle or unclog your arteries if they thought it would sell more.
Not that I think it's particularly bad stuff, but they certainly haven't re-invented the wheel -or the oil that greases it.
Amsoil would claim their stuff could either power the shuttle or unclog your arteries if they thought it would sell more.
Same goes for almost any company selling something.
I have used AMSOIL for many years, and it seems to work as advertised. I have never had a problem.
Their products usually cost only a little more than what you can get on the shelf through normal channels.
Makes me wonder what corners normal manufacturers are cutting to meet price points.
Unlike the multinational companies, AMSOIL does not have to answer to Wall Street expectations.
Are they willing to pay for damage to engines that happens while operating with a mixture that contravenes manufacturer's specs?
Yes, it is in their written warranty.
I do not know the process for a claim, as I have never had one.
It could go better or worse than any other warranty claim.
Try getting a new engine out of Ford, GM, Honda, VW.... if it fails and you have performed proper maintenance on your own. Yup, they are just gonna send you a new one.......
Try getting a new engine out of Ford, GM, Honda, VW.... if it fails and you have performed proper maintenance on your own. Yup, they are just gonna send you a new one.......
As long as you've kept your end of the bargain(proper spec materials and intervals, and records of them), they have to honor their warranty. The Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act requires them to.
TMK, Their is no such specific requirement for Amsoil or another parts manufacturer, aside from a civil case where it must be proven that their product bears responsibility for the failure...good luck with that.
I understand that the manufacturer must honor the warranty, but how soon will they step up to the plate?
How long will the car sit at the shop while the investigation contiunues on?
They are required to make repairs within a reasonable amount of time, and if there is undue delay(parts shortage, etc), produce a loaner or rental for use free of charge.
Also, they are chargeable for loss of use during the court case, if they so choose to deny the claim and are found at fault...which they will be.
>>>Try getting a new engine out of Ford, GM, Honda, VW.... if it fails and you have performed proper maintenance on your own. Yup, they are just gonna send you a new one....... Right. The problem with Amsoil is that they don't even make the engine, and hence don't stand a chance of sending you a new one. Buyer beware.Scott.Always remember those first immortal words that Adam said to Eve, “You’d better stand back, I don’t know how big this thing’s going to get.â€
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This is why I want to rid the weeds..
Lost my last post, bear with me. bad karma day.
Um, that is the second at 6' we have here. I think my cat got ate.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Eeeeeewwwwwww.
Better you than me, I hate snakes.
Especially at eye level - water snakes are the worst. SHUDDERRemodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City
Yeesh. I think I'd pour a little gas from each can of every blend right down that snake hole and toss in a lit match.
Just kidding, snakes is ok dudes. A little creepy maybe, but they's just part of the food pyramid that we happen to be at the top of. DNA-wise, we're practically second cousins, though they might be a titch smarter.
I use Tanaka oil in everything. Just mix it according to Tanaka's instructions. One can, one mix.
http://www.tanakapowerequipment.com/index.php?section=154
You say 32:1 thru 50:1 is the same?
I see the site but am chasin snakes, one is real fat , I think it ate my cat.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Yep! I use the same mix in three Stihls, two very old McCullochs, an Echo, and a little Chinese-made pump. Everything starts and runs fine. A nice side benefit is the gas is always fresh since I only have one can. Two commercial LawnBoys ran on it too. I no longer have them though. They couldn't handle the taller grass by my pond. A four-cycle B&S has no problem with the tall grass. I always mix the oil with 89 octane Shell or Marathon guzzleline.
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Ummm. Where's the snake?Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City
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The 3 jugs already mixed is probably the easiest way already, although I'd likely run the saw and tiller on 32:1. It might be a bit oily for the trimmer.
Definitely add Stabil, you can add it to each one or to the supply tanks. I'd also give 'em a good shake after sitting and before starting to make sure the mix is still suspended properly. Once they're running, the vibration will do that for you, but the last thing you need is the carb drawing pure oil from the tank on startup.
For pre-mixing, the Ratio-Rite cup is the way to go for me. You can get them anywhere, and from $4-6.
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For my trimmer & a couple other things with tiny gas tanks, I keep the mixed gas & oil in a 1 qt oil bottle. It's easier to tell 'em apart, it takes less space in the garage, it's pretty easy to mix 'em. When the bottle starts to bulge a little, I throw it out and grab a newer one. The sharpie works OK for labelling these. Write in two different sides, so if one rubs off, you can read the other.
I just wish I didn't spill gas in the driveway every time I try to pour from the gallon can into anything else.
This one product right here: http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/atp.aspx
I have some of the older product here (100:1 mix). I will never use it. Want it? PM me. It is left over from my car show days.
I have 3 quarts of it on hand. One is for Sphere if he wants it.
Other two are up for the first two that ask for it in a PM.
It works great.
Edited 9/15/2008 6:44 pm ET by danski0224
I put 4 oz of oil to a gallon and run everything like that.
Even the 4 stroke in a pinch.
Never a problem.
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I've got 28 small engines to feed. I use Stihl 40:1 in every one of them. Never have a problem. Use Stabil, but if the fuel is going to be in there more than 6 months, I'd drain it completely or the alky will melt your fuel lines as it ferments with the oil in the mix.
This works great because the fuel in the can is always fresh and the Mrs can't put the wrong mix in the wrong engine ( and neither can I )
I use synthetic oil, would probably try 40:1 in all of them. I have an old craftsman chain saw, 24:1, several 32:1 engines, a 40:1, a couple 50:1 engines. Too much to keep mixed up all the time. The 50:1 engines won't run right if you go heavy on the oil, so they all get 40-50:1. I'm banking that the improvements in synthetic oil technology over old mineral oils won't harm the old oil burners.