…putting in a low deck…using Simpson joist hangers……do you
place hangers on joist first?
place hangers on ledger and rim joist first?
does it make a difference?
Neighbor asked me today and I hadn’t ever thought about it. I think I placed them on the ledger etc. first when I last did a deck, but it’s been a while.
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place hangers on joist first? no
place hangers on ledger and rim joist first? yes
does it make a difference? in the end, no. during the process, I find the installation makes more sense that way. drop the joists in the hangers, nail 'em up.
"Working Alone" by John Carroll (Taunton) fastens his to the joist first.....
shrug
I looked at the Simpson web site but did not see any recommendation, but, I may have overlooked it.
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You directed your comment to me - but I'm not the one asking. Here's the guy asking 122472.1
Can't see why simpson would care what sequence is used in installing, since I can't see what bearing it would have on the finished install. I've even see guys toenail the joists in place, then come back and put the hangers on. Whatever works for ya.View Image
As it turns out I think it does make a difference. The hole on the joist side of a hanger angle the nail back as to toe nail the joist into the ledger/ rim. If you nailed the hanger on the joist first the nail would stick through the end of the joist making it a little tough to apply to the rim.
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you gotta be smart enough to leave that one out until its installed!View Image bakersfieldremodel.com
I just did a deck last week with 80 hangers. We used an impact and 3 inch deck screws. Put a screw in the joist to get it in the right spot. Went back after all the joists were in to put in 14 nails per hanger. Used the bostich strap shooter for that. Nice gun.
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Both at the same time. I nail the joist in place, then stick the hanger on.
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Fasten joists so all will be at the topeven. With treated I find the wood is different widths. If you just tack the joists at the top, and then put on hangers, they will all be at the same height.
Read this somewhere years ago, maybe even FHB
we do it the same way.. sometimes we use a pc. of furring tacked to the joist top and hang the joists until we toe them in place
then we set the joist hangers
we want flush tops and full support from the hangersMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
ok nurter question, do you nail the joist or just the hanger
bothView Image bakersfieldremodel.com
With Simpsons hangers the nails that go through the hanger go in at 45 degrees so you are nailing both the hanger and the joist.
That is the LUS model, but they still make the old ones too.or at least we can stil get them at the loal yard
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we toe the joist in place ...then snug the joist hager up and fill all the holes...
like was mentioned... the new hangers also have about 4 slant holes ..for 8d / 10d toe nailsMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Ya nails them little holes in the hanger.
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There's a tool for hanging deck joists at the right height:
http://doitbest.com/Joist+hangers+and+rafter+ties-Grabber-model-GJJ2-doitbest-sku-103453.dib
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Works well too -
Jeff
hahahahah - that is cool! What will they think of next? Beats the old bent hanging nail at the top, which sometimes comes out as a joist falls on your haid!View Image bakersfieldremodel.com
Nice little gadget, but pricey.
I like the Catfish/MikeSmith/Huck ideas, as far as cost. Time to install/disassemble would probably be the same.
I was just looking at some pix my wife took and I had placed strip of 1X level along the ledger/rim and tacked the hangers, then dropped the joists in. Like I mentioned, when the neighbor asked I realized it was one of those things you kind of do whatever seems easiest and works. Never thought about if there was a correct way for something that simple.
I can understand about the height of the joist, especially if it is crowned, and the variables in width. I got lucky I guess and had a nice tight/level deck. I had used 5/4 clear cedar at a 45* angle for the surface fastened from underneath with a Deckmaster SS system.
Another DIYer thanks you for the input. I learned a little more today.
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Me too. Why I come here! Thanks for the follow-up.View Image bakersfieldremodel.com
I like that.
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You can do the same thing with a nail driven on top and bent over to hold the joist. I do it all the time, makes hanging them alone possible.
I agree with catfish. There's too much variation in the width of joists to mount the hangers on the ledger. The corners on the hangers aren't square. If you mount them on the joists, they can hang up as you try to position them and if you aren't careful, they keep the joist out from the ledger. They're also sharp and can ding you up. A toenail pulls the joists in nice and tight and keeps everything flush on top. The hangers don't come closed up for the thickness of your stock. Much easier to bend them and slide them up with the joist in place. Easier to see your line with hangers out of the way, too.
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I was taught to cut off part of one of the joists you are going to use and use it to set the hangers first.
That way they are set at the right height.
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A pile of PT lumber can be sized anywhere from 7-1/8" to 7-3/4". So setting them all the same is going to cause problems with most of the others
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Is that dimension difference because they are PT?
When I was taught to set the hangers using a cutoff we didn't use PT.
All the joists came from the same bundle so they were sized the same.
I use PT now but don't like it. Just not same as Douglas fir from the lumber yard."There are three kinds of men: The one that learns by reading, the few who learn by observation and the rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."Will Rogers
Yess, the moisture taaken on from being 'pond dried' in teh chemical solution expands the grain which varies between summer wood and heart and which cut a piece is relative to grin diretion.But we still always get aa good 1/8" variance in KD framing lumber. That is why we flsh tops and set hangers later
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