This is actually oriented toward DIYers who are on this board, not the pros, who would know better. I’m a DIYer sheetrocking a refrigerator closet I made in a second house, using adjacent bedroom closet space, in order to open up a small kitchen currently with a free standing reefer. Sacrificed a pantry for this. Not caring a whole lot about the seam quality, since it’d be hidden by the reefer, I decided to try this apparently new seam tape that’s creased perforated paper with peel off adhesive on one side. The concept is that the adhesive side will stick to drywall, eliminating the bedding in step. Good concept, bad execution. It works fine for wall seams, but it doesn’t work at all for interior corners, even though it’s creased for it. It will pull loose at points, leaving an opening that can’t be pressed back or even filled. It’s stiffer than normal joint paper or fiberglass tape, so it doesn’t work well or soften after it’s had compound on it. Just avoid it — its time hasn’t yet come. If you choose to use it anyway, try to position a perforation row over the sheet seam so that compound gets into the seam. The tape has four perforation rows, so this means that the tape won’t be centered to do this. Should have had a perforation row in the tape’s center, since we’re naturally inclined to center such things.
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newbie and a dyi but i am sticking to paper tape.... no pun intended
Dan
if you try to find an easy way out you deserve what you get.
Learn the tried and true way and do it right the first time.
Otherwise hire the people that know what theyre doing.
Looking for quick fixes for the most part never work.
You're mudding two coats over but wanna leave out one coat of under??????? Does that make any sense now that you've done it?
Be on the point
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I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
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You put TWO coats on TOP?
Yeah, and after that he paints right away, no sanding needed. (I taught him everything he knows, LoL!!)
Andy?? Ya forgot to tell him to wet the knife....
Okay, kidding aside (sort of): I've never seen psa-backed paper tape for gyprock; I have often seen Fibreglas mesh tape coated with psa. However I have not had good results using this stuff on new work. Both my own experience with it and what I hear from guys that do a lot more 'rock work than I do indicate it is basically intended for repairs to old work. For new, every rock pro I know uses plain old perforated paper tape. Gotta be a good reason....Dinosaur
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I have ...
seen the stuff.
Have a roll in the van.
similar to regular paper tape.
has a bunch of little round holes punched all over it ...
peel of the backing paper and stick it on.
actually works great. I'd use it more if it wasn't 2 or 3 times as expensive as the regular stuff.
It's great for patches ... stick it over the hole ... trowel on a coat of easy sand 20 ....
that fills ... but droops a bit after it's dry. Sand flat .... lay on another coat of the easy sand 20 ... after that dries .... sand .. the little circles disappear ... then do the big feather coat over the whole thing.
great for when ya have to move a lighting fixture or receptical a coupla inches ...
too big a hole for just hot mud ... too small to bother with a backer and drywall patch.
I've also used it towards the end of the day when I want to save some time and avoid a bedding coat.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry in Carpentry
Pgh, PA
I used it once when I had to patch a hole where somebody fell part way through from the attic. Worst part was tryinmg to get the backing off. Worked real well, otherwise.
I'm sorry, I thought you wanted it done the right way.
Ed
Had a neighbor once who did much the same 'step through', also right in the middle of his living room ceiling.
Because the couple collected abstract (aka modern) art, with an absolute straight face, I told him I liked the look and that he should leave it exactly as it was...just clean up the mess all over the rug and couch.......very artsy.
BruceM
Leaving the leg sticking thru would have made for a great modern art piece.
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Nice photo. Was the Playboy channel on the television? ;)
they just wanted a bird's eye view of the cleavege...
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You ever try the mesh tape for repairs? It's good for that; I can tape right over a hole where a Gem box or 4" octo used to be, two or three pieces, and then mud right through it. Yeah it droops if it's on the ceiling but the droop can usually be carved off flush with a sharp trowel pretty quick, then mud the second and feather coats on as usual.
Dinosaur
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You have to use three?;)
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You put TWO coats on TOP?>>>>>Yep...one under two on top and if you want me to confuse you even further....lol.....I add a little dishsoap to the mud on the last coat in the bucket.
mAkes it glide on like an eagle flys
Be smooth as a babies booty
a....The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
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I always did one coat under, two on top, as well. I never used the dishsoap until right there at the end, for a few months before I stopped work.The corner metal with the tape that he was talking about is an inside corner. The paper is on the face of it. You aren't trying to stick the mud to the metal. I liked the stuff, myself.Don't like the outside corners though. For the same reason you say. But I'd use them to straighten up an outside corner, if needed.
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Luka
For angles that are wide or crooked I use a tape that almost feels like plastic.....pretty expensive stuff but its the best!!! Wish I could remember what its called but I have brain-lock at the moment.
I also add an additive in the mud when I use it....again brain-lock has hold of me as for the name....I'll try and dig out the stuff in my shop later and give you the names unless someone comes along first here and knows what I'm jawin' bout'.
Screw that metal junk....Next time you need to straighten out a weird corner use the tape I'm tellin' ya bout'.
******please someone here in BT, don't make me look through my war zone here to find it....give the name********* Where's Piff when ya need him....geezzzz....
Be well bro,
yer friend
a...The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
Andy,
Your using Strai-Flex tape or No-Coat..bet it's the Strait-Flex. The additive is the glue that gives it a stronger bind, it's called Super Bond.
I also once a few years ago tried the sticky perforated tape...garbage! Now I use a tape that you dip in water and after 15 minutes you can 2nd coat and when you pull this mama off the rock, the paper on the rock comes out. Best thing out there..I wanna have a contest just me taping and guy with a bazooka, bet I'll do faster in 1/4 of the time. And iut';s not affected by moisture like regular mud uis and it meets the spec..heck it exceeds it.
Can't be doin' things like they did 70 years ago..people come up with new innovative ideas that work..they are only for the brave for are willing to try something new.
"Imagine there's no mud when you tape,
it's easy if you try"
youre 100% right...strait-Flex and super bond.
I may try yer stuff if I can easily get it.
In 10 years from now we'll be using heat guns to mold plastic tape to the seams with zero mud.
Be well my brothaman
a...The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
I know most of you have been using the computer to type the type of tape you use but man that stick stuff is great! You just get the old Pen out and put it to it, tear it off and stick it to the wall. And best of all you'll never forget.
I've used this stuff for corners and It is some great stuff.http://no-coat.com/new/solu.html
NO-COAT | Advanced Corner Technology
Andy,
Here's the link to you and to anyone else interested. Just don't follow their instructions, I got better ones. Forget the sponge and I do prefill the space between the boards on the seams with E-Z Sand 20 or 45 (it's fast) and then I just dip it in a bucket of water (warm water in winter and cold water when it's summer). Then I dip it in a bucket of water and wipe it on with the palm of my hand real good.
On angles, I also prefill but you don't have to.
If you don't want to prefill, then on the seams make sure that the nail or screw on the seams is just below the end of the tapered edge.THis is because it's hard to affix the tape over a nail dimple. Any defects in the board must be corrected by applying mud first. Then with your finger nail press the tape into the space between the two boards and with your palm apply it to the seam.
When the tape is wetted, it will stick on mud applied drywall too.
Either case, wait 15 to 20 minutes and 2nd coat. However, if you don't prefill on the seam, then the indentation made by your fingernail will leave a mud indentation after the 2nd coat, then just fill in that indentation after the 2nd coat dries and before applying the 3rd coat.
This is from 3 years using this tape..my instructions work, the manufacturers way you may get some bubbles. Still it's faster than anything else. My way..no bubbles!
http://www.duratape.com/wet_stick.html
Why we use tape on the seams is soley to bind the two boards together and joint compound does not bind them as well as an adhesive base tape does. To those who disagree, then you must be using mud and tape when a sending a package by mail.
ONce you get the system down..it's a breeze!
Zano
Very excellent. Thanks. I'll give them a call and order a few rolls to check it out.
Very helpfulBe well bro
a...The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
hi, a newbie and a dyi selfer, i am sticking to paper tape (no pun intended)
Dan
Used it alot. Never had a problem with it. Read the package - does it say "recommend to use setting-type compounds"? That what I always did. I applied the tape with a knife to get it stuck down well. Corners were time consuming to get the tape into, but never had a problem with it.
I fortunately found someone who does great drywall taping and likes the small one-man jobs, so I just pay for the taping now. He uses "real" tape and beds that stuff beautifully. I almost can't believe how good this guys stuff looks.
MERC.
I've used it and thought it worked fine. The biggest pain was pulling off the paper backing. I applied it by folding it over on itself, sticking one side down and then pushing the crease into the corner followed by sticking the adjacent side. I always use hot mud except for the final coat, maybe that made a difference although that really has nothing to do with applying the tape.
why hot mud?
b ... do you understand that "hot mud" is not joint compound that has been heated? It's a term for setting type compound, which contains plaster and sets up much quicker than regular compound.
I'm sorry, I thought you wanted it done the right way.
So I can do several coats in a day. I also think it makes for a better/harder patch in plaster walls.
A perf row in center would make it weaker right wehere it needs to be strongest.
I bet I can wet the bed with mudded knife faster than I could dream of peeling a peel/stick backing.
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I was thinking the same thing . It does not take that long to mud a seam. Then there is the strength issue . It has to be stronger with the mud filling the gap. What do you do when the stuff sticks to itself after you pull the backing. And if it won't stick to itself it will not stay stuck to the dry wall. Buy the 250 ' roll of paper tape for a buck 2.50 and do it right.
2yrs ago my husband and i built our own house ,mind you neither of us are professional carpenters. But even i know to use paper tape rather then the patch tape(that's what i call the self stick tape) you fill in the cracks first then lay tape,let stand for a few,and then apply the rest of the mud. that's how i was shown and taught. our walls in our new home are as smooth as a new born baby's bottom. no sanding required either just a dampened cloth to smooth down. But then we all know how are mudding skills are when we put our primer/sealant coat on and then the flaws are revealed.
You could always use duct tape (lol)
A new topic maybe(creative uses for duct tape)? lol
" I bet I can wet the bed with mudded ..."
Thought you had outgrown that :-).
You guys in the peanut gallery...LOL
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This tape works ok if left for 24 hours+ for the glue to grab. tape and mud to close together kills the glue.
Hi, new to the forum. I didn't notice anyone talking about using the premade inside corner bead strips. They are papered with a metal backing, so it fits nicely into corners. Just mud each side and press it in. Nice corner everytime. Also make them for outside corners, too. I cut them with a tin snip.
<<<<They are papered with a metal backing, so it fits nicely into corners. >>>>I think thats the worst invention in history.
The metal doesn't hold spackle well for too long in my experience.
Folding regular paper tape to a nice sharp crisp edge works best IMO
I've NEVER seen any rock co. ever use it so...Be well
####The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
Well, everyone has their own personal preferences. I'm glad that yours works for you. I like the ones I was talking about as they also help even up a corner if things are a bit off. By the way, I like your personal quote very much and would have used it for mine if you hadn't! :)
I think thats the worst invention in history.The metal doesn't hold spackle well for too long in my experience.
Andy...ya stick the metal to the WALL SIDE, dang it! I tole ya dat a million times!!!!
Hey--you coming skiing in two weeks? I got 'em to shut off the snow guns just fer you....
Okay, back to the business at hand: I've never had problems with joint compound sticking to metal/paper corner tape; I mud the corner, fold the tape and 'swoosh' it on, as you might say, heh, heh, heh. Then a coat on top, over the paper. Sticks just like ordinary paper tape, and gives a perfectly straight corner. I only use it on outside corners; not worth the extra cost for inside corners as they don't take the abuse an outside corner does during normal daily use....Dinosaur
'Y-a-tu de la justice dans ce maudit monde?
Dino
Nah....aint gonna make it to Canada this year ....might not even make it skiin' wahhhhhh.....unless someone kidnaps me and takes me.
So much to do here and so little time....haven't even done my meditations.
Think I need to refocus.
Still hate that metal tapes no matter what you say.....lol.seems stupid to me.
I can get just as good a perfect corner without it..only cause I'm god maybe....lol
Tell Ryan I need a fresh one.
Be good bro..
See ya this summer for sure (can we ski in the summer???)
swooshhhhhhh
a...The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
....might not even make it skiin' wahhhhhh.....unless someone kidnaps me and takes me.
There's not much snow anyway; had lovely powder before xmas then it rained three times and hasn't done squat since then. We're skiing mostly on artificial schnüüt; today it went up to +6C and the 'snow' transformed almost to corn; we're gonna regret that big time when it cools off again (as it will for sure) unless Mama Nature favours us with a nice dump....
I can get a perfect corner w/o metal tape too...but whaddya do when somebody whangs it with a piece of furniture or a suitcase or whatever after it's all done? Big chunks break off and fall out; metal corner tape on outside corners prevent that; only a ittybitty flake or three of paint comes off....
About the Fresh One, I'll tell Ryan. I need one, too. And yeah, you can ski in summer if you don't mind breathing outboard motorboat exhaust. Not my trip....
Go do yer meds...uh, I mean 'meditations', LOL! I'm gonna cook a pizz if I can get the oven to behave itself. Two weeks I'm trying to get ahold of the frikkin repair guy and he don't call back....
Dinosaur
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'swoosh'
Hey, no swooshing unless yer Gween!Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
Ya got it bassackwards--Swooshin' is AndyC's word for what he calls skiing. I don't swoosh--I telemark....
Dinosaur
'Y-a-tu de la justice dans ce maudit monde?
StraitFlex is the deal...call'em they'll send you a box of stuff and a tee shirt...outlet patches, corner beads...they know more about drywall than dino-sour<G> Don't worry, we can fix that later!
I've used that kind and like it alot.Who Dares Wins.
Those are called the no-mud corners. Some are with metal and some with some sort of plastic. I think they are fantabulastic! Especially for remo work where you can end up with gaps or uneven spots, or for sloped cielings like we have so much on the cape style homes here.
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Exactly! To me the cost is worth it on inside corners to get a fast, even corner. Sometimes if the corners are a bit uneven, the paper tape wants to bow into the uneven spot. You spend the same amount of time to mud each side with paper tape anyways, so I feel it is effective for me to go with the paper/metal ones.