Kind of interesting to see the very first post.
http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=1.1
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I think that's the same one I see evertime I do a search.
Greg
http://www.wernerbuilding.net
That from when we switched over from the old webX software and hosting. Beginning was about 5-6 years before that
Welcome to the
Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime.
where ...
Excellence is its own reward!
So I guess 1.1 is when Prospero Breaktime started.
Does anyone have ideas for ways to improve "Prospero Breaktime"?
What features do other sites have that Breaktime is missing?
Jumping to the last post would be nice.
Vidio uplink, FtF would be nice (sometimes) Mr.T w/o pants can be ##### out. Me too for that matter, I am wearing Forrests wifes pregger jeans while she is at the "beach".Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"If you want something you've never had, do something you've never done"
I heard that!
Forrest
"Does anyone have ideas for ways to improve "Prospero Breaktime"?"When looking in the window that lists folders there is a link at the bottom that says "Next 50". This should actually say "Prev 50"I would like a link to the "First 50" with a link at the bottom of THAT page that says "Next 50"That way one could browse through thread titles from the beginning.
Rich Beckman
Ah yes, most excellent Theophilis.
You know how hard it is getting a Prospero change on this board.
Might you partake of running a volunteer ship into the heart of General Discussion and dropping a saved page launch site every 6 months?
94806.128
ps You'd get to plant a flag back there.
Edited 10/13/2007 4:19 pm ET by rez
Hey Rez,
I think I figured out how you did it.(found the worm hole)
http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=95719.1
>> Jumping to the last post would be nice. << click on "start"...
1st issue had wall paper and caves, the new look. written by Piffen..BOB is always right, ALL HAIL BOB
>> Jumping to the last post would be nice. << click on "start"...
Matt,
I am talking about jumping to the last post in a particular thread. It is a feature that the JCL forum has.
I'm thinking there might have been a software platform before WebX. I could be wrong though. I do remember there were major software upgrades before this Presario(sp?) stuff started...
Anyone remember the days when Freddie and Joe F. always used to go at it? Sometimes it was fun just to stop by and throw some gas on the fire... :-)
Back then the Tavern was wide open, and Andy "Iron Fist" Engel did his best to maintain law and order in all forums. There was a thread, started by a well-intentioned woman who was having a male baby, on to whether circumcise or not circumcise. Sadly, but predictably, the thread soon degraded into a debate on functions, features and personal preferences, with anecdotes from both male and female posters until "Saamaackkk"!!!!! Down came the mighty gavel of the thread boss. LOL.
Scott.
Always remember those first immortal words that Adam said to Eve, “You’d better stand back, I don’t know how big this thing’s going to get.”
Edited 10/13/2007 5:23 pm by Scott
I found this old, old book one time.
"In the beginning, Piffin created Breaktime . . . "
Greg
wait a minute there now!But if you wanted to compare me to Methusela...
Welcome to the Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime. where ... Excellence is its own reward!
"In the beginning, Piffin created Breaktime . . . "
Naw, Piffin's a "new guy".
What happened was that someone found the End of The Internet.http://www.romlist.com/end/But that person did not want to go out into the real world.So they invented Breaktime.To get it started that person played all of the different persons.They they are still doing most of the characters.I know that Piffin, Sphere (no one could play Sphere) and myself are real.Most of the others are character played by a 13 YO drop out..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
Yewah, some guy name of Mongo was an old character when I started posting.
What did you do with his body?
Welcome to the Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime. where ... Excellence is its own reward!
Lots of interesting stuff down in the photo archives.
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Piffin's first try at the ark?
TFB (Bill)
I remember the switch years ago. I believe there was an intent to port over all the threads from the old webx forum, but it never seemed to happen. Those were the good ol' days... Fusco, Maddog, Gene wassisname, that guy with the dog named 'the crew', some crazy guy named Luka living in the bush....ooops.
Scott.
Always remember those first immortal words that Adam said to Eve, “You’d better stand back, I don’t know how big this thing’s going to get.”
Back in the early days there were some pretty fierce flame wars. Things are considerably more calm these days. When I first started with Breaktime, there was no Tavery, that came along several years after the beginning of Breaktime. Every thing was lumped into a single listing of titles and names of the submission. Back around 1999 (don't remember exactly when I started) there usually were only a couple of submissions per day, probably no more than half a dozen on a very active day. Occasionally, several days would go by with nothing posted. Things seem to have changed a bit...I think there were at least two different ISPs before Prospero. There were occasional outages and the reason given to going with Prospero, IIRC, was to improve reliability. Of course in the change over, all of the previous posts were lost. It would be interesting to go back and see what topics are still unresolved. Lots of people have come and gone over the years, only a few still here from the early days. I did a lot of responding to posts in the early days because I was somewhat of an expert in Web searching and not many other people knew how to do it. So when someone asked a question, I was often able to just search the Web and come up with a source for them. A lot more expertise contributing to Breaktime these days, so I am much more of just a spectator. (It also helped in those days that I had a computer support job that often left me with long periods with little to do but play on the Internet - not the case any more.)Lots of other discussion groups out there these days, but I find that Breaktime is still the most interesting and entertaining of the lot, even if I can't begin to keep up with things these days.Caseyadd: Some of the old timers were so disgusted with the switch to Prospero that they vowed to leave Breaktime. I think some of them did and several certainly became a lot less active.
Edited 10/13/2007 6:48 pm ET by CaseyR
I was around in the early days. Can't believe how much time I lost on dial-up here. The atmosphere got pretty poisonous for a while there. Creating the tavern, then making it at the bottom, then making it accessible by request only was a very good thing. People were getting turned off by all the flame wars.But a lot of good knowledge was disseminated. I've been scarce for a long time. Working too much. I'm going to see if I can participate a little and not get too sucked in.It is comforting to see a lot of the old names still here, though.Steve
"Of course in the change over, all of the previous posts were lost. It would be interesting to go back and see what topics are still unresolved."No they were not lost. They are still there. Just hard to find.All of the Tavern threads prior to Prospero were lost. But the rest of the pre-Prospero threads are there.
Rich Beckman
Not really all were lost.
Gunner has a link to a site that has some of those old threads on it.
I have it somewhere but I fear it's lost in all the stuff.
Edited 10/13/2007 9:25 pm ET by rez
bump
The way back machine dude. Type in what your looking for and BAM!
http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
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"I tell you, We are here on earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you any different." Kurt Vonnegut jr.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5MG1ZfFiZ8&mode=related&search= Mercy now
Could you provide a link hooked directly to The BT of the old WebX days?
Did you see that the font just changed? Really. I had a "page cannot be " earlier, and now it's all smaller..or am I having a stroke?
QUIT MESSING WITH THE WAY-BACK MACHINE..
Christ, we'll all get blind when ya hit the Stellar Fart.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"If you want something you've never had, do something you've never done"
I had this problem before, The Oracle Piffen told me to adjust my text size at the bottom of the page to 10.
Worked like magic. That cat knows his stuff.
Matt
One minnute? ONE Minit? You posted as I was typing..
See? Look what he did..I mean your up in Michagan, I am WAY DOWN HERE in Ky..
Funny? I think NOT!
He's gonna kill us all, lets kill him yesterday!Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"If you want something you've never had, do something you've never done"
He's got a long list of people to whack before us, I think he's hunting Gunners Tyvek guys right now.
Then it's on to the contractors I have been following lately. At least I hope so.
Matt
I was getting the 'page cannot be' last night and started blaming it on the nephew's router to his PC till he told me he wasn't online.
be ready to blast to the past
You've dismemberd the very fabric of BT
See look
that was me responding to the see.?
Grant , Gunner and me and, and and that Stinky mofo, Ok we aint allowin you Buckeyes to control the reality ANY MORE..we declare soverighnin usurpdion on yoor basic occupation of OHIO,all we want is the water.
So there.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"If you want something you've never had, do something you've never done"
type in https://www.finehomebuilding.com Figure out what year you want to look at. Then go to the Breaktime tab on the page. Some work some don't you really have to play with it. Most of them are just snap shots of the page like this. But some of the non woodshed stuff still has working links that go past the initial page.
http://web.archive.org/web/20001215105500/webx.taunton.com/[email protected]%[email protected]
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"I tell you, We are here on earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you any different." Kurt Vonnegut jr.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5MG1ZfFiZ8&mode=related&search= Mercy now
Here's a better link to the old front page. It shows all the old folders.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010603030156/webx.taunton.com/[email protected]%[email protected]
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"I tell you, We are here on earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you any different." Kurt Vonnegut jr.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5MG1ZfFiZ8&mode=related&search= Mercy now
The link to the Web archiving organization for the old Breaktime archives is great. I had heard that there was some organization archiving Web pages but I had no idea it went back that far and had never run across it before. The first actual post appears to be there, a "Welcome" by the then Taunton web guru, Sean, was dated 5/9/97. The first post by a user appears to have followed on May 24th. The page is at:http://web.archive.org/web/20010503164451/www.taunton.com/fhdsarch23-11-98/index2-20-98.htmThere was considerable discussion just after move of Breaktime to Prospero that Prospero had found after Breaktime had been deleted from Webx that the tapes that were to load the previous discussions were unreadable and thus lost to Breaktime. The above referenced archive of Breaktime was done by the Internet Archive and is explained on their FAQ page:"Who was involved in the creation of the Internet Archive Wayback Machine?"The original idea for the Internet Archive Wayback Machine began in 1996, when the Internet Archive first began archiving the web. Now, five years later, with over 100 terabytes and a dozen web crawls completed, the Internet Archive has made the Internet Archive Wayback Machine available to the public. The Internet Archive has relied on donations of web crawls, technology, and expertise from Alexa Internet and others. The Internet Archive Wayback Machine is owned and operated by the Internet Archive.""How was the Wayback Machine made?"Alexa Internet, in cooperation with the Internet Archive, has designed a three dimensional index that allows browsing of web documents over multiple time periods, and turned this unique feature into the Wayback Machine."How large is the Wayback Machine?The Internet Archive Wayback Machine contains almost 2 petabytes of data and is currently growing at a rate of 20 terabytes per month. This eclipses the amount of text contained in the world's largest libraries, including the Library of Congress."The Wayback Machine FAQ is at:http://www.archive.org/about/faqs.phpNow, when I get the time I will have to see if I can locate when I did my first post, probably circa mid 1999...Thanks for the URL to the Wayback Machine folks - could be all kinds of good old stuff that is not longer active.ADD: I noticed that in his welcome, Sean referred to the site as "Nails", I assume that must have been the initial name before it was changed to Breaktime.
Edited 10/14/2007 11:57 pm ET by CaseyR
Ah yes.... The time before we had folders... It's really interesting to look down the list of names and see who is still around.
"The first actual post appears to be there, a "Welcome" by the then Taunton web guru, Sean, was dated 5/9/97. The first post by a user appears to have followed on May 24th."
Wow! That's amazing!! I see Fred's efforts to obliterate his own postings were not entirely successful.Looking at posts from the earliest on, the first name I recognise (besides Sean's) is Herrick Kimball. I'm not sure if I recognize it because of postings here or from articles in the magazine???The name bif seems familier (June 4, 97)Further up a bit is Kcoyner, Mike Mahan, and Bill Conner; all names I recognize.I love the post titled "nothing" that is posted by nobodaddy dated May 30, 1997 that reads "this is all going to be erasesd very soon so don't bother to read any more.""There was considerable discussion just after move of Breaktime to Prospero that Prospero had found after Breaktime had been deleted from Webx that the tapes that were to load the previous discussions were unreadable and thus lost to Breaktime."I vaguely remember that, but most of the Webx material did make it over. It is still there today. You can tell by the * that precedes the posts.The Woodshed was deliberately left out.
Rich Beckman
Edited 10/15/2007 11:28 am by RichBeckman
I remember Fred couldn't delete his post content, as in the old days you couldn't delete a post.
So he bacame a dot.
Literally.
Remember he changed his name from "FredL" to "." so that while his posts coudn't be erased, his name was erased.
Mongo
"in the old days you couldn't delete a post."Good point. But notice that Fred's name is all over the page that Casey linked to.I should have said he failed to obliterate his name.
Rich Beckman
When you mention the "old days, do you mean WebX?Back then yout could delete posts - But you couldn't delete the first poast in a thread. (I think)The reason I say that is that Andy E. emailed me and told me to delete the "My New Helper" post. But I couldn't do that since it was the first post in the thread.
If you are successful, you will win some false friends and some true enemies; Succeed anyway. [Mother Teresa]
The WebX system certainly evolved over the years, from bare bones to what I considered to be a pretty good setup.But remember all the times that it crashed? Lordy, it used to drive Sean nuts. Us too.I always got along fine with Fred, but when he turned himself into a dot I thought that was when he sort of went off the somewhat deep end.It was a little petty in the grand sheme of things.Mongo
Fred was a bit full of himself and often responded to questions not with an answer but with his assessment (guess) of what and why the questioner did wrong.Other than that, I loved his presence on the board. A lot of what he posted made sense and he was hysterically funny.
I miss him still.
"It was a little petty in the grand sheme of things."Yup.
Rich Beckman
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welcome!
From: sean messengerDate: 5/9/97Remote User:
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as the web editor here at taunton, i'd like to welcome all visitors here to nails, and encourage ya'll to speak freely, as this forum is yours.
any comments about the forum please direct to [email protected]
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"A Stop At Willoughby" is a universal tale that all of us can relate to. I know I've often wished there was such a place myself, where, as the Conductor says, " a man can slow down and live his life full measure."
now we see,
...the beginning.
Now that's a fine bit of sleuthing you did there!
I never remembered who actually made the first post, but I did remember that Fred had the first reply.
Ah, the sorta kinda sometimes not really but maybe they actually were good old days.
Joe Fusco used to back up the forum on his own computer. Not sure the extent of his backing up, but he used to use old regurgitated content to fuel the fire of his flame wars with Fred.
Mongo
"I did remember that Fred had the first reply."But that's not what Casey's link shows.It shows the first question to be from tindall [email protected] on May 24, 1997 and the first reply to be from alan herrell on May 27, 1997.Am I missing something?
Rich Beckman
Nope. I'm sure you're correct and I'm the one who is missing something.For whatever reason I can't view the old posts. I can see the thread hierarchy, but if I click on a specific post I get directed to a "you can't see it" Taunton page.I just always had it stuck in my head that Fred had the first reply.My apologies.Mongo
>> For whatever reason I can't view the old posts. I can see the thread hierarchy, but if I click on a specific post I get directed to a "you can't see it" Taunton page. <<
I have/had that problem too. Maybe 50% of the posts I could view...
In the beginning Piffin created the internet.
Now the internet was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the web, and the spirit of Piffin was hovering over the .jpeg attachments.
And Piffin said, "Let there be construction," and there was construction. Piffin saw that the construction was good, and he separated the construction from the hackers.
And Piffin said, "Let there be an expanse between the construction knowlege that separate man from troglodyte." So Piffin made the expanse and separated man from beast and called the knowledge Breaktime.
Then Piffin said, "Let the Breaktime produce wisdom, information, pictures, humor, and twenty answers to every question, none of them necessarily correct." And it was so.
And Piffin made his first post. He looked upon it, and said “It is good.”
“But it might be better with drywall screws.”
Real trucks dont have sparkplugs
Has anyone found the beginning of Prospero?
I think this is the first thread posted after the switch.
Jon Blakemore
RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
Jon, I am confused...it seems to me that post 1.1 would be the first post of prospero?
I get the impression that they started posting archive posts at some point into the Archive section.
Edit to say nevermind..I see you said "thread"
odd too that post 1.2 predates post 1.1 so nevermind
Edited 10/16/2007 11:25 am by homedesign
The search function defaults to the copper pipe thread which seems to predate it by a couple weeks and carries the honorable #listing of 1.1.
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1.1
*I am in the midst of replacing all of the old galvanized water supply pipes in my home with new copper supply pipes. As far as sizing the pipe diameters, is it best to run 3/4" up to the second floor and then 1/2" to each second floor fixture? For instance, I am worried about having adequate water pressure upstairs when the basement washing machine kicks on. Thanks for the help.-Steve
I think the infamous copper pipe sizing thread actually was a WebX thread.I've noticed a few quirks that indicated something is not normal with the old threads. They will include an asterisk before the text, the attachments will have been deleted, and sometimes many of the posters will be labeled "guest".I don't know for sure but I've always assumed that these are indicative of threads that migrated from WebX to Prospero.
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
and who knows what all was hatched from the minds of the puter folk involved in the change over.
be a little bit of this, a little bit of that and a dash of pepper.
I do recall someone from Taunton saying that if you wanted to save any threads to do it it as much was going to be lost in the changeover or something to that effect.
remember my first foray on internet / boards going to heating help & getting annihilated
then heading over to breaktime and encountering handles like DieselPig, BossHog, WetHeadedWarrior, UncleDunc,
with equal parts trepidation & anticipation I was going to give this a go